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DownWest
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+1. It is going round in circles.
dom
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- The bickering posts can easily be ignored
- Some of the metal heads have made some very good points here
capnsensible
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- The bickering posts can easily be ignored
- Some of the metal heads have made some very good points here
Absolutely. I might disagree with the old Bull Sh......er but why on earth do people think they can have a thread shut down just because they don't like it? Bonkers.
GHA
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The joys of steel, a rare easy job yesterday - chop all the links of a foot of stainless chain in half and weld them on to the deck. A load of really strong eyes, 6 round the mast base (never did trust that eye in the ali mast foot for the kicker) and one each corner of main hatch should that ever cause concern mid ocean. When the bolted stanchion bases get swapped for welded bases each one will have a half chain link welded on as well , can't have too many tie down points on a cruising boat
- Some of the metal heads have made some very good points here
Cost - next to nothing, time is free Finally no more little leaks round the mast/hatch as there are no holes at all, apart from gooseneck for cables. Load of epoxy paint and that can be forgotten about for at least a decade, probably a lot longer as other areas done years ago in the tropics are still as good as the day after they were done. No more sealant required ever hopefully soon.
capnsensible
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The joys of steel, a rare easy job yesterday - chop all the links of a foot of stainless chain in half and weld them on to the deck. A load of really strong eyes, 6 round the mast base (never did trust that eye in the ali mast foot for the kicker) and one each corner of main hatch should that ever cause concern mid ocean. When the bolted stanchion bases get swapped for welded bases each one will have a half chain link welded on as well , can't have too many tie down points on a cruising boat
Finally no more little leaks round the mast/hatch as there are no holes at all, apart from gooseneck for cables. Load of epoxy paint and that can be forgotten about for at least a decade, probably a lot longer as other areas done years ago in the tropics are still as good as the day after they were done. No more sealant required ever hopefully soon.
Not sure if I saw a post from you about shot blasting? If so, buried back there somewhere?
Anyway a friend of mine has his steel boat on the hard standing at the marina in La Linea for that job. Seems to be taking a while, though.
GHA
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Actually can be pain to find somewhere to shot blast, didn't know they did that at La Linea - might do the hull soon & do copper coat, spoke with another guy who said he does it in ireland which would be a good excuse for a little adventure back up north.
Luckily a very rare event done properly.
rogerthebodger
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Actually can be pain to find somewhere to shot blast, didn't know they did that at La Linea - might do the hull soon & do copper coat, spoke with another guy who said he does it in ireland which would be a good excuse for a little adventure back up north.
Luckily a very rare event done properly.
Or just come my way
BTW Grit is much better than shot for blasting steel that is to be painted painted.
capnsensible
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Actually can be pain to find somewhere to shot blast, didn't know they did that at La Linea - might do the hull soon & do copper coat, spoke with another guy who said he does it in ireland which would be a good excuse for a little adventure back up north.
Luckily a very rare event done properly.
Never miss an opportunity for adventure!
GHA
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Seriously considered that, thought a few times about a wee jaunt down there via Brazil - is it hard to sort out a lift out etc? And get good paint?
rogerthebodger
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Mind cane out in Richards Bay and you can hire people to do the painting local by the day.
Epoxy paint available local and epoxy tar available without a problem.
My grit blasting was done inland where I live so would need to find some local to where you pull out.
Royal Cape Yacht club have a 40 ton cradle we have a 20 ton cradle and a 30 ton travel lift for longer stays.
Do consider that we have a big mining industry with all the associated heavy support support industries.
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=r...d-28.815578507559884!2d32.17238684756137!5i12
grit blasting
https://www.google.co.za/search?tbm...d-28.770034991023703!2d32.00878599056921!5i17
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GHA
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Ta, another plan to join the existing 527
Daydream believer
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- The bickering posts can easily be ignored
- Some of the metal heads have made some very good points here
I agree with you there have been some interesting points.
Some forumites remind me of my kids when very young, watching parts of Doctor Who on TV. It frightened the hell out of them. So they hid behind the sofa - but just had to peep out & look all the same.
As we told them. If it frightens you, then don't look:encouragement:
Daydream believer
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What do you mean by " get good paint". Did you mean " get good PAINTERS"?
Surely the same paint is available all over the world. Or is that a fallacy
Also with so many liveaboards working their way around the world one would have thought finding someone to do some painting in a port frequented bythe traveling community ( sailors that is) would be relatively easy.
Sorry for the thread drift, but I know nothing of life 300 miles beyond UK shores. probably why I love my GRP boat- No pacific reefs- few rocks off the Channel Islands though:ambivalence:
rogerthebodger
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My understanding is that most epoxy paint are based on only one or two world wide suppliers. It the additives (fillers, solvents and pigments) that are added to at the local suppliers.
We also have some very skilled spray painters as well of painters that can slap paint on. You get local recommendations and look at their work.
The top coat on my boat was spray painted by a specialist using importented paint similar to awl grip. Awl grip is also available locally.
You can supervise yourself and employ local workman or employ local contractors to do the work for you.
Brent Swain
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No I am definitely not .Others have repeatedly attacked me, for trying to pass on the benefit of over 4 decades of steel boat experience.
Brent Swain
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Some of my boats have been painted by professional painter who did a superb job. Some not so superb.
One said they wanted the first coat "professionally "applied. so they made arrangements with a local, commercial paint shop. I suggested they do it themselves. The shop contracted out the sandblasting to a kid ,who did a super job. When the blasting was done it was late in the day, and they were worried about dew falling.They waited and waited , as it got later, and darker. Finally the "Professionals" showed up, smelling like brewries. They poured the epoxy on, with big spray guns, until it ran falling of the hull in big drools. My friends fired the " Professionals" on the spot and rolled the rest of the epoxy on themselves. Luckily, they had no problems with it .
They paid the sandblasting kid directly, so the drunks wouldn't rip him off.
On another boat a "professional" painter offered to spray paint his boat. Mike the skipper , asked how much he had used epoxy, and was told " I use it all the time. "So Mike set him up with all the ingredients, then went to make a phone call. He returned to find the "Professional "spraying epoxy with no hardener into his water tank.,
Another client in San Francisco asked a boat painter for a quote on painting his new 36 footer, and was quoted $40,000 ,more than the entire cost of the boat.
Do your own painting, it is not that hard.
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Graham376
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Actually can be pain to find somewhere to shot blast, didn't know they did that at La Linea - might do the hull soon & do copper coat, spoke with another guy who said he does it in ireland which would be a good excuse for a little adventure back up north.
Luckily a very rare event done properly.
They were doing it (maybe still are) in Ria Formosa yard at Olhao.
Brent Swain
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Or just come my way
BTW Grit is much better than shot for blasting steel that is to be painted painted.
Yes ,definitely, when sand blasting , but I buy all my steel wheelabraded ( shot blasted by centrifugal force) and zinc primed at the supplier, which has given me no problems in decades . No need to sand blast, a horrible job.
If you do blast it later, wheelabraded steel, having no mill scale, blasts far more easily.
Some say you need a rougher surface, a better profile. Zinc, cold galvanizing primer simply doesn't chip off. Once that fills your "Profile" then the surface under it is completely irrelevant to subsequent coats.
I hear Tunisian boat yards have done a booming business doing work like blasting, which is too hard to get done in the EU.
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Brent Swain
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The joys of steel, a rare easy job yesterday - chop all the links of a foot of stainless chain in half and weld them on to the deck. A load of really strong eyes, 6 round the mast base (never did trust that eye in the ali mast foot for the kicker) and one each corner of main hatch should that ever cause concern mid ocean. When the bolted stanchion bases get swapped for welded bases each one will have a half chain link welded on as well , can't have too many tie down points on a cruising boat
Finally no more little leaks round the mast/hatch as there are no holes at all, apart from gooseneck for cables. Load of epoxy paint and that can be forgotten about for at least a decade, probably a lot longer as other areas done years ago in the tropics are still as good as the day after they were done. No more sealant required ever hopefully soon.
I was told that Bernard Moitessier , after years of maintaining steel fittings on deck, which should have been stainless ,cut many steel bits off and replaced them with welded down stainless, drastically reducing his maintenance.
An engine driven alternator, rigged as a welder , sometimes lets you do this over time, while cruising.
Big plastic funnels over thru hulls, even ones which fit over the thru hulls, give to a good place to dump sand into, to get it t out of the boat.
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