pvb
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And of course the original 1959 Mini had a button on the floor to start the engine.
Starter key or buttons?
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And of course the original 1959 Mini had a button on the floor to start the engine.
mogmog2
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I had a mini with a push button start. IT ALSO HAD AN IGNITION KEY IIRC. IDK about your examples. Either way it is irrelevant. It is barely significantly harder to unlawfully start a yacht fitted with key ignition than one with a button.
PaulRainbow
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Just when you need a pedant, two come along at the same time 
There were a few others too, just as some Jag's, but when i said 20 years i was talking about the modern keyless start that was being discussed as being easy to steal (which they most certainly are not). Those old cars still had keys
[pedant] It wasn't really a button, it was the starter solenoid. [/pedant]
As above, it still had a key. The battery was in the boot, so they must have thought having the solenoid half way between the battery and starter was a good idea. It wasn't such a good idea after it had a few doses of salt spray from underneath.
There were a few others too, just as some Jag's, but when i said 20 years i was talking about the modern keyless start that was being discussed as being easy to steal (which they most certainly are not). Those old cars still had keys
[pedant] It wasn't really a button, it was the starter solenoid. [/pedant]
As above, it still had a key. The battery was in the boot, so they must have thought having the solenoid half way between the battery and starter was a good idea. It wasn't such a good idea after it had a few doses of salt spray from underneath.
PaulRainbow
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If we're talking about stealing a boat, mine is impossible to steal as it is protected by a very large lock. It's not possible to pick the lock and a thief would not be able to get at the keys 
pvb
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I guess you're not old enough to remember the first Mini, Paul, but it had a floor-mounted starter switch, not a solenoid, just a simple on/off push switch.
http://www.minispares.com/product/Classic/17H5260.aspx
PaulRainbow
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Ah, i remember it now. I had a picture in my mind of the old solenoid with a push "button"
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mogmog2
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The issue with method of starting is reliability IMO. Theft is not really an issue (at least to me & I'm the op)
Thus far it appears that:
The starter key switch system is a bit cheaper and the electrics are simpler. Partly through that simplicity and partly in the switch construction are points in its favour.
The push button system is obviously more complex therefore potentially less robust, but more convenient.
I'm favouring the push button, for convenience. Also if I've designed and built the system, I'll know it inside out and that would help mitigate the complexity.
Thus far it appears that:
The starter key switch system is a bit cheaper and the electrics are simpler. Partly through that simplicity and partly in the switch construction are points in its favour.
The push button system is obviously more complex therefore potentially less robust, but more convenient.
I'm favouring the push button, for convenience. Also if I've designed and built the system, I'll know it inside out and that would help mitigate the complexity.
BelleSerene
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Just when you need a pedant, two come along at the same time
Two pedants coming along: is that what’s meant by bipedal locomotion?
Thanks for your valuable advice, by the way.
PaulRainbow
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You can also use rocker switches, rather than buttons. Carling make a good range of very reliable switches, the "Contura" range. These are waterproof too.
A on-off-mom switch becomes ign-off-stop
A mom-off-mom is glow plugs, off, start.
No relays involved, so as simple as it can be. Certainly more reliable than a key switch and at about £25 for the two switches about as cheap as you can get.
PaulRainbow
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You're welcome.
Dan Tribe
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If we're talking about stealing a boat, mine is impossible to steal as it is protected by a very large lock. It's not possible to pick the lock and a thief would not be able to get at the keys
Apparently, the boat that was in that berth has been stolen, but did it have a key or push button start?
PetiteFleur
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Nearly forgot, quite happy with my key switch, came standard, worked ok for 12 years so far.[/QUOTE]
Ditto - my Beta is now 14yrs old with the deluxe panel with key start and no probs with the key - only problem is with the fading Hours display.
Ditto - my Beta is now 14yrs old with the deluxe panel with key start and no probs with the key - only problem is with the fading Hours display.
JumbleDuck
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I don't think there is any reason why a push-button system should be more complicated. After all, a key system is just a rotary switch while a push button is linear switch. Anything one can do the other can do. Although the Nanni button system is complicated, the most complicated part - the preheat/starter button - is identical whether you have a key or a button for on-off.
I decided not to have a key because I couldn't see the point. My panel is inside, so anyone who wants to steal the boat can jemmy a key switch at their leisure, and it's at the top of the companion steps, so easy to stand on the key. Which is why my Yanmar panel had an Araldited switch ...
All Yanmars 1GM10s come with the same key anyway.