Stangate rumours and Blue Circle certainties

[Pye_End]

I beg to differ.
Have you looked at the MCZ legislation?

My point is that very few of us have ever had any kind of say in legislation, but are still expected to abide by the law. When was the last time somebody rang you up and asked you what the speed limit should be outside your house? Some ignore the law - some speed limits seem potty, and others are broken at the expense of other road users and local residents - appropriate speed is often a matter of perception. As far as MCZ's are concerned, how do you think the consultation could have gone better? In the initial meetings they were trying to make sure that all water users were represented eg through trade bodies, RYA etc - are you a member of a club or member of the RYA? Even if not, there has been so much publicity over the scheme, and plenty of people to contact to make your views known.

I happen to believe that we should take a lot more care of our oceans, and our planet generally. Whether the setting up of MCZ's work, and are a useful means to do so I am open minded. There is much hot air/rumour/inaccuracy on both sides of the fence, and I think it remains to be seen whether sensible or barking measures are introduced. Done badly it could be bad news, but then again, done well, it could be good.

 

[Tomahawk]

The MCZ idea was cribbed from the Town and Country Planning system which is a failed system that delivers everything it aims to prevent and prevents everything is should deliver.

The consultation was deeply flawed. It by-passed individuals so as to avoid asking for comments. Trade organisations can and are given little regard in consultation, wheas large numbers count. The RYA represents itself rather than ordinary sailors. Clubs want to keep sweet with regulators and don't ruffle feathers.

The consultation documents did not set out what the consequences of various designations would be. It just said conservation area. Thus someone is now proposing to ban anchoring on grounds of "conservation", yet at no point did I see a policy that set up no anchoring areas in the consultation documents. Equally, what are the effects on providing new moorings and facilities? Again this was not set out so there was no opportunity to comment. Yet now everything is a MCZ someone will say no more moorings and boating facilities because they disturb the worms.

In terms of land planning, it is like designating your street as a conservation area without telling you what that means. On the face of it, very nice until you try to replace old rotten windows with doubke glazing and get a letter from the council saying that you have to apply for conservation area consent. And by the way, we don't allow double glazing because we don't like it. And we will be tqking enforcement action to restor wooden windows in your house.

 

[Behome]

Whatever, I'll be dropping my hook in Stangate tonight before cracking a beer.

 

[xyachtdave]

Whatever, I'll be dropping my hook in Stangate tonight before cracking a beer.

I'm not sure I'd class the week as a success if something along those lines didn't happen on Friday evening!

 

[Otter]

It's a right old mess but we are blessed with large amounts of water and absolutely no enforceable regulation, no supervision and no public money to pay for it.

 

[Mr Boats]

While I fully support all of the concerns over the conservation issue and they must be fully discussed and opinions aired. Can I direct the esteemed members of the panel to the second part of the original posting RE the problem facing the club at Blue Cicle Lake Cliffe. There is very little time to register an objection to filling in the lake.
There is link on the MSBA site to register an objection to the proposal, closing date is Monday.
I have no connection with the club but feel it would be the loss of a facility that has trained a lot of youngsters and we need to encourage youngsters into our sport.
Thanks for looking