Standing rigging 20 years old

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I viewed a boat yesterday and the standing rigging is over 20 years old, stainless. I mentioned that if I bought the boat I would take that into account when making an offer.
Also the sails are circa 1998. Apart from this the boat is well found.
The vendor thinks I am being unreasonable. Should I walk away?
 
38mess said:
I viewed a boat yesterday and the standing rigging is over 20 years old, stainless. I mentioned that if I bought the boat I would take that into account when making an offer.
Also the sails are circa 1998. Apart from this the boat is well found.
The vendor thinks I am being unreasonable. Should I walk away?
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Not sure any insurance company would be happy with 20yr old S/S rigging.
Is it wire or solid? What about all the turnbuckles etc?
Get a quote for renewal, show vendor & tell him to stop being silly.
 
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If the vendor has factored the costs to the purchaser of replacing rigging and sails - then you are being unreasonable.

If you can buy a similar boat with new(ish) rigging and sails for a similar amount of money - then walk away. It is better to buy from a happy individual.

Jonathan
 
38mess said:
I viewed a boat yesterday and the standing rigging is over 20 years old, stainless. I mentioned that if I bought the boat I would take that into account when making an offer.
Also the sails are circa 1998. Apart from this the boat is well found.
The vendor thinks I am being unreasonable. Should I walk away?
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If you are interested in buying the boat make an offer . If you really like the boat be prepared to negotiate
If not walk away
 
On my last yacht I changed the lot as it was nearly 12 years old. Stainless doesn't give a warning when it's going to fail. I can do it myself so it's no big deal. But it needs doing.
 
Neeves said:
If the vendor has factored the costs to the purchaser of replacing rigging and sails - then you are being unreasonable.

If you can buy a similar boat with new(ish) rigging and sails for a similar amount of money - then walk away. It is better to buy from a happy individual.

Jonathan
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No he hasn't it appears.
 
Stay polite, friendly if possible and decide on what you are willing to pay for it and make an offer accordingly. Some brief explanation of the offer may help but avoiding the seller drawing you into an argument. Then let the money do the talking. He may come round after a while if all dealings have remained reasonably amicable. I can't imagine anyone selling their boat to someone they have decided to hate especially if they feel they are having to submit.
 
Poey50 said:
Stay polite, friendly if possible and decide on what you are willing to pay for it and make an offer accordingly. Some brief explanation of the offer may help but avoiding the seller drawing you into an argument. Then let the money do the talking. He may come round after a while if all dealings have remained reasonably amicable. I can't imagine anyone selling their boat to someone they have decided to hate especially if they feel they are having to submit.
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All friendly and amicable, we are at the the really early stage of negotiation. If I feel the atmosphere stinking up, I will walk away.
 
38mess said:
I viewed a boat yesterday and the standing rigging is over 20 years old, stainless. I mentioned that if I bought the boat I would take that into account when making an offer.
Also the sails are circa 1998. Apart from this the boat is well found.
The vendor thinks I am being unreasonable. Should I walk away?
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Doesn't matter a damn what the vendor thinks.

All that matters is what you want.
 
38mess said:
All friendly and amicable, we are at the the really early stage of negotiation. If I feel the atmosphere stinking up, I will walk away.
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That's good but if you have stayed polite you can also leave him with your offer and to let you know if he changes his mind. Sometimes you are not only making an offer you are introducing someone to reality and that can take longer to sink in.
 
Poignard said:
Doesn't matter a damn what the vendor thinks.

All that matters is what you want.
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True to a point but not always that cut and dried ?

The boat is worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.

If you, 38mess, can fabricate the rigging yourself then it shouldn’t be a deal breaker. You’d kick yourself if a (potentially) good boat went elsewhere for the sake of a ha’porth of tar.

We all like a good deal, the vendor too, it’s often said that the only acceptable outcome of any negotiation is “win-win”.

If you like the boat, make an offer. Good luck ?
 
I do not know why should I replace my stainlees riging. The boat (SO43DS) is 18y.o. and everything is ok...
This is just one of those "taverna talks"...
 
If the standing rigging is wire, I doubt you will find anybody who will insure your rig. I cant recall the relevant standard; but it is most defiantly 10 years replacement or survey (which can be similar cost to replacement). Rod is a different matter. Insurance companies will ask on this and will want a copy of the survey report.

Any 1/2 competent surveyor will pick this up anyway.

As to sails, at that age, really depends on material and how much they have been used and been exposed to UV light. More than likely you will need new sails, but they could be fine initially and last a couple of seasons of regular use.

As said above, if that is all that you can find that needs addressing, make your offer accordingly. (Fortunately wire rigging doesn't cost too much!!)
 
There's a lot of BS promulgated about age of rigging and sails ............ it all depends on what the boat has been subjected to in its life. Insurance usually jumps on crappy notes / comments made by Surveyors. If the surveyor reports that visually rigging and sails are OK - the insurance company would be unlikely to question about age. But if the surveyor makes the comment of over 10yrs - then insurance MAY question about replacement.

My rigging and sails are well over 20yrs old ... but still in good order and tbh - would not surprise me to last another 20.

But if it was a hard pressed boat such as a racer .... then that's a different matter altogether.

Most cruisers are over-engineered in rigging ...

As others say - be reasonable, make the offer you consider applicable. Let him think about it ...
 
alexsailor said:
I do not know why should I replace my stainlees riging. The boat (SO43DS) is 18y.o. and everything is ok...
This is just one of those "taverna talks"...
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Absolutely ............ its a BULL**** factor that has been perpetuated over years and become 'fact' ...... it gets put into reports by 'surveyors' who really at end of day are just covering their ar**..... because in fact they cannot test rigging.

Insurance co's like it because they can walk away from claims if involves rigging.

When my Snapdragon suffered forestay failure due to deck fitting - NOT the rigging .... because the rigging had not been reported on as xx yrs old ... but surveyor had stated in good visual order - claim was paid. The sails were paid for as well ... due to theft few months before that.
 
38mess said:
How do you get insurance?
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Like many others do I assume. I have owned 3 boats in UK and each fully insured .. each with more than 10 yr old rigging / sails ... NEVER had any trouble at all with Insurance .. never been asked age of sails or rigging.

In fact go to my previous post - I've even claimed sails and rigging repairs .... ALL PAID.
 
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