Speeding On The River

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Poll.

You are on the river / in a speed limited area; you see someone speeding on plane towards you, there are no moored boats, there is no one else in the area but you, that bit of river is straight and visibility is good.

He sees you and slows down in good time, passing like a gentleman.

What is your reaction?

Poll follows.

 

[[2068]]

It would depend on the boat that was "on the plane".

e.g A Sealine F37 on the plane will generate a 4ft wake and cause a substantial amount the river to leave. A tender on the plane that then slowed down would barely cause the Swans to wobble.

 

[tinkicker0]

It would depend on the boat that was "on the plane".

e.g A Sealine F37 on the plane will generate a 4ft wake and cause a substantial amount the river to leave. A tender on the plane that then slowed down would barely cause the Swans to wobble.

Never thought of that. Reason I posted the thread was because pootling up the river on Saturday evening, I came upon a small two seat fletcher in exactly those circumstances.

When they passed having slowed down they looked very sheepish.

I gave them a big grin and waved, the couple looked relieved and nearly waved their arms off in return.

I know they make less wake on the plane than at 6 knots and didn't see the harm.

Suppose a bigger boat might cause problems.

 

[spongie]

in the above instance the speed doesnt hurt, one of my other boats is a inflatable at 25 knots no wash, sticking to 5mph river limit creates a huge wash (and people ask us to slow down then!!!)

 

[[2068]]

Something small would probably get a conspiritorial grin.

The deciding factor in the grin/growl decision would be whether my drink fell over.

 

[spongie]

I have been on recieving end of a 33ft cat doing this came in at speed then dropped off the noisy handle the resultant wave as the cat slowed violently shocked my 45ft cruiser and spilt more than my drink. After I picked my TV up off the cabin floor and inspected for damage I went to the mooring the cat had gone to and had polite discussions with the young deck hand who had brought the cat in about what best to do with his throttles.

 

[PaulGooch]

Never thought of that. Reason I posted the thread was because pootling up the river on Saturday evening, I came upon a small two seat fletcher in exactly those circumstances.

When they passed having slowed down they looked very sheepish.

I gave them a big grin and waved, the couple looked relieved and nearly waved their arms off in return.

I know they make less wake on the plane than at 6 knots and didn't see the harm.

Suppose a bigger boat might cause problems.

Given the circumstances, i agree with you. I voted A

 

[DAKA]

It would depend on the boat that was "on the plane".

e.g A Sealine F37 on the plane will generate a 4ft wake and cause a substantial amount the river to leave. A tender on the plane that then slowed down would barely cause the Swans to wobble.

reminds me of an incident several years ago as we cruised the Seine, there are 'power boat sections' where the speed restriction is waved for sports boats, being in a 23ft bayliner we were blowing the cobwebs out and passed an F42.

Mrs F42 was horrified when we passed in a Bayliner and came in pursuit.....

a few miles down river there was a fisherman waving arms around and pointing at our mini flat bottomed wake, I smiled and signed thats nothing look behind me, just as the F42 came into his view, he then had to scurry up the bank to miss the F42 tsunami .

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

I was bad a few years ago, but plead mitigating circumstances.

Chemibog discovered to be full at about 07:00, three ladies on board, nearest disposal point about a mile and a half away. Only solution: get the thing into the tender asap, sprint for the disposal point and get it back asap. Required speeds around the level of R17 on a deserted reach before anyone was awake, unless they were sensitive to an outboard being nailed

Back by 07:25, first lady woke and "went" about 5 minutes later. I got brownie points for having got up early to put the kettle on.

 

[CX54WEK]

I voted A but would be very tempted to give him a run for his money. Any excuse to open her up.

Took her down to Gainsborough at the weekend so we could open her up good fun was had by all excpet possible the narrowboater who looked shocked when we rounded the corner through Ginsborough behind him at 30 knots. We did of course slow down for him before we reached him.

 

[nedmin]

30 knots on the Trent,why? What you probably dont realise that for small craft it can give them about a mile of b---dy uncomfortable boating.The waves you generate roll on the tide and keep generating waves.Why not use your car?it will do 30knots easily without spoiling other peoples boating.

 

[tinkicker0]

Thread conclusion re the final figures.

thank you every one for voting.

From the results; I conclude the following:

22% of the mobo forum regulars are raggies.

7% of of the mobo forum own either a Seamaster or Freeman.

14 and a bit percent are nature's risk takers and probably own Fairline Targa's or similar. Probably commodity entrepreneur's or Sole Traders with a modest plumbing / carpet laying / other trade business, dropping dosh on the accountant's orders.
Those red diesel driven blowlamps are thirsty things are they not

56% of the forum peeps are men after my own heart that thinks rules are for the strict adherence of fools and for the guidance of wiser men. Who look at the situation, assess the harm done and say live and let live.


Forgive my drunken ramblings, and overactive imagination; had a hell of a day, sunny evening and SWMBO sez out of the blue "I know, lets sit in the sun and have a beer or two".

 

[CX54WEK]

30 knots on the Trent,why? What you probably dont realise that for small craft it can give them about a mile of b---dy uncomfortable boating.The waves you generate roll on the tide and keep generating waves.Why not use your car?it will do 30knots easily without spoiling other peoples boating.

Why not?

We where the small boats, we where not breaking any rules and we where stretching the boats legs for the first time since getting back from Wells at the beginning of the month. Has to be done every now and again and if you dont have the time to get down onto the Humber or the Wash, the Trent below Gainsbrough has to do.

If the small boats are woried about waves generated then they really shoulnt be on a tidal river. Any wind over tide scenario creates waves on the tidal stretchs that are far larger than those created by us.

 

[Firefly625]

I voted A...... and I must say there have been times I might possibly have been guilty of breaking the Hamble speed limit going from Mercury to Swanick in my dingy, but as everyone has already said that a little dingy (2.7m with inflatable keel and 6hp outboard) on the plane causes minimum wash, half throttle off the plane enormous wash....

And that is what does annoy me, the people in, got to say, mostly sports boats/ bowriders or ribs, who go up the Hamble at probably circa 8/9 knots, with transoms squatting down, bows in the air causing a wake that would have PWC riders grinning from ear to ear. Boats that size, in the main thoroughfare cannot possibly safely get up on the plane to cause minimum wash, so they must / should obey the speed limit..and minimum wash rule.... .. rant over.. sorry

 

[DAKA]

30 knots on the Trent,why? What you probably dont realise that for small craft it can give them about a mile of b---dy uncomfortable boating.The waves you generate roll on the tide and keep generating waves.Why not use your car?it will do 30knots easily without spoiling other peoples boating.

Hi Nedmin,
as you know this is no longer my patch and I dont have any axe to grind ,
I only post as I have a suggestion which may make your passages more comfortable and in an attempt to explain why some including myself enjoy the trent at speed

In order to make it home in one tide from Torksey without grounding or missing the S feriby lock you wait for the Bore and set off , slowing for each and every boat and listening out for sand barges. Any slow boats should slow down to 4 knots which allows a shorter reduced wash passing, perhaps a vhf call to suggest this when you spot a faster boat ? agreed slow boats that maintain 7 knots are in for an uncomfortable 1/2 mile or so.
Once passed Gainsborough the fun really starts , unlike sea passages which are straight the tight bends allow you to bank right over.
The hairpin at Gelders wharf being favourite and must be taken at full throttle, (time allowing several times), next bank her round stockworth and check the lock is closed before passing at speed usually to a cheery wave from the locals, drop the arch for keadby bridge, almost full tide and duck !
Around Amcots long steady corner but still well healed over and through trent falls and wait for the lockies to return from lunch

Makes me want to leave the warm sun in the south and return home

Hope the vhf contact and you slowing down works, we never used to cause wake for the slow narrow boats, the plastic 7 knotters were really difficult to pass and it took ages especially if there were 3-4 in a line, I used to make contact and give them the opportunity to slow to 3 knots so we could pass in a few hundred meters @ 7 knots wash free.
Most used to slow (all club members without exception) some others didnt and said they didnt mind wash, some took so long to answer their vhfs it was too late .

Cheers

Pete

 

[CX54WEK]

Why would the half mile after a boat has been planing be any more uncomfortable for a slower smaller boat, than when the wind is blowing and there is a bit of chop on the go?

Is part of the fun of boating on more open water, not the fact it can be a bit lumpier than your average canal?

 

[WF36]

I'd just nod and grin

Half my time is spent sailing and the other half in my RIB, so I sorta see the picture from both sides. I always make sure I slow down going past yachts or people in dingys ETC ETC.

I make far more wash doing 6knots than I do at 34knots..... ( not that I can afford the fuel to go that speed all the time)

Last weekend, some grumpy c*nt on a motorboat told me to slow down, I just grinned and went even faster there were no other boats around etc.

Once, I was doing about 15knots, and a yachtie told me to slow down, I told him to f00k off, he then proceeded to tell me to come back to the marina and "have a fight about it" yeah alright then, prat. I said we would have a race back to the marina! He didnt think much of that

 

[nedmin]

Why do 30kts on the Trent? Perhaps you dont realise but on tidal rivers the wash you create will roll on the tide for probably a mile making it very uncomfortable for others using the river especially small craft.The tide gets under the wash and keeps it rolling.Not good for wildlife either.

 

[CX54WEK]

Why do 30kts on the Trent? Perhaps you dont realise but on tidal rivers the wash you create will roll on the tide for probably a mile making it very uncomfortable for others using the river especially small craft.The tide gets under the wash and keeps it rolling.Not good for wildlife either.

Well im afraid you will just have to get over it, quite literally. Some of the worst conditions we have come across on the Trent have been completely natural no other boats around all day. If you find it uncomfortable riding a small amount of boat wake i hate to think how you find riding some of the natural waves and chops created, especially the ones down by Keadby.

Boating in general isnt good for wildlife so you cant really play that card either.

Boating is a game of each to their own, you may enjoy plodding on at 6 knots or so, others, myself included, enjoy messing around at 30 knots. The Trent is big enough for us all to enjoy what we do, the downside,we at some point will be held up by you and you at some point will encounter some wake.

 

[nedmin]

I rest my case,there are boaters and boaters,like others i enjoy speed but in the right place. I have covered Holland Belguim and France in my present boat so its not a 22ft Freeman !It is very possible to get to S. Ferriby at 7 or 8 kts without stopping just leave Torksey to reach flood at the M18 and no probs.Having spent over 25 yrs on the Trent I know that it makes it very uncomfortable for smaller craft going at 30kts or even less.I have seen 4ft waves on the Trent between West Stockwith and Gainsboro caused by wind against tide but in those condition smaller boats wouldnt be on the river.Yes,boat wash can and does build up waves especially with wind against tide and it is self generating.You dont know whose round a bend and by that time its too late for a small craft or narrow boat that is coming in the other direction.Lets all enjoy boating,a great pastime.