Spanish Boat Taxes -- A proposed joint legal study

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Your stance is based on ONE opinion from ONE Spanish lawyer.

[/ QUOTE ]It is based on legal advice received from a large reputable firm of Spanish lawyers. Better than a few retired British yachtsmen, none of whom are legally qualified, or even speak Spanish?

Still, it doesn't concern you, does it? You have absolutely no intention of taking your boat to Spain. You are here to stir. There are stirrers, and you are a perfect example.

That's the odd thing about this discussion. The people who say it's safe to take your boat to Spain have no intention of going there. It's very easy to say "stick your head up over the top and tell us what's happening, old chap" when you are forty miles behind enemy lines.

What bothers me about this is not the advice appearing here, in YBW, as folk can see it for what it is. A few retired bods, and one stirrer, pretending to be international lawyers. What is genuinely frightening is that this is appearing as official advice from the Cruising Association and the RYA. If those organisations are going to give out legal advice then they should have it checked by a lawyer and be prepared to give the source of the advice, and the basis of that advice.

While it's not my personal concern I do hope that members of those associations put pressure on the associations to take out appropriate legal indemnity insurance. There could be a very good case against them -- of £100,000 and far more -- if anyone gets done after following their advice.
 
You really are missing the point. You constantly tell us how good, important or whatever your lawyer that you paid is. THIS DOES NOT MAKE HIM RIGHT!

Once again your only response is to rubbish other people and organisations - seemingly because they do not agree with your ONE source.

It is perfectly valid as I have said before for you to act on his advice. However, it is completely at odds with a reading of the legislation and what actually happens.

I am repeating yourself now, but if you want people to take you and your advice seriously you have to disprove the accepted view. You can do this in a number of ways. You could keep on going to different lawyers asking them if it is true that you are liable to this tax within 30 days of arriving in ther country. I guess many will say lets humour him and take his money. No loss to them. Or you could carry out your own investigations and find specific cases where the tax has been levied in the way that you believe is correct. You could write to the responsible minister in the Spanish government and ask him what the government's intentions are.

Until you get evidence of this kind, the prevailing view holds and it is a waste of time you saying you are right and everybody else is wrong.
 
David,

I don't know you from Adam but there are many references to your ability to rub peeps up the wrong way and I am seriously starting to agree with them.
Stop the testostorone battle that you've got going on (or take it to PM status) and relieve this blinkered view that you seem to have and go and get the facts from the lead that I've given you. As you probably know Spain goes on holiday for August so you've got a few weeks.
Have you been in contact yet?
 
I emailed them on Monday for contact details. Haven't heard anything yet.
 
OK. Since this thread has degraded into a getting on other members t*ts . . . Steve - please, your entire message is in English, except that blasted word peeps. What on earth is wrong with the word 'people'? Is 'peeps' meant to be a kind of 'people' lite? Somehow kinder and more understanding? Arrrrghhhh. Sorry I have an intense aversion to this kind of . . . irritating. I dunno, sorry. Harry Enfield. Stavros. The joke's well past its sell-by date. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
Thank you for your observations

What encourages me is that after well over 70 posts on this thread, not one supports your position. I too am concerned that people come on this forum for an exchange of information that might help them in carrying out their plans for a cruising lifestyle. There are many examples of this working well - the recent thread on the revised processes for a cruising log in Turkey is a splendid example. Posting an issue - quick response from the ground confirming the issues - couple of exchanges clarifying what they are and then a number of posts providing useful advice on how to deal with it. End of thread.

This thread does not fall into this category. It has one poster insisting only he is right about the issue, based on a single statement from an unknown (to anybody else) lawyer. Just about every other post, citing the written legislation with translations from bilingual Spanish forum members, the advice of the official Spanish Tourist body, advice from two highly respected yachtsmen's representative organisations and some personal experience says that the advice reported by the poster is wrong. It is also in this case entirely at odds with what seems to be happening- Thousands of non-residents keep their boats in Spain and none (at least on this very active forum) have reported receiving a tax demand, let alone a demand for payment in 30 days. These are not just UK residents but residents from many countries who have kept their boats in Spain for years. Only this year the major UK Marina operator has opened a vast new marins in San Carles, specifically aimed at non resident yachts, and financed by non-resident private investors. It is difficult to imagine them doing this (going through all the government approvals and so on) if there was a chance that their clients would be faced with a tax bill payable in 30 days from the arrival of the yacht.

Whilst it is perfectly acceptable for an individual to prefer to follow the advice from his source - after all he paid for it so must give some credence to what is said. However, what is not useful is for the poster to continue to hurle abuse at other posters and their credentials. Much better if he retires quietly and follows his own inclinations.
 
Read the thread title. Read the original post. I have not been giving any advice whatsoever (I have simply shared the professional legal advice that I received) and I am proposing that a group of people get together to get further advice, in view of the differences of opinion. That rather makes a nonsense of your post. I am about the only person who is NOT being dogmatic; I simply don't know for sure what the situation is -- hence the suggestion of a study.
 
To which you have had Zero response! Might tell you something!

If anything the extensive posts from others that contain information suggest (as I recall saying in the hope of being useful) that at this point in time the formal legisaltive position seems pretty clear so now is not the time for further action.

Surely that comes after events show that the clarity is mis placed or the authorities are taking action that is different from the legislation.

And if you think your postings here are not dogmatic in tone, particularly those dismissing any statements from others with whom you disagree, I would hate to see someone really dogmatic!
 
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To which you have had Zero response! Might tell you something!

[/ QUOTE ]Not true, but all via PMs and emails. Don't know whether a joint study is going ahead yet, but there are a number who are interested, in principle, and we are exchanging ideas on whether to use a Spanish lawyer, a London solicitor with specialist experience, or a specialist Spanish firm who would ensure that their advice has been checked by a lawyer. We are at the discussion stage.

It would be interesting to find a single occasion when, after a poster has criticised the RYA, that TRANONA has not leaped to their defence. Since you have absolutely no personal interest in Spanish Taxes, no legal expertise and no knowledge of the subject one can only conclude that your lengthy involvement in this thread has been nothing more than pro-RYA stirring. Why else would you spend so long on a subject that did not concern you?
 
You really can't let it go, can you. Once and for all I have no connection with the RYA. Whatever makes you think that the RYA (if I were their stooge) would ever allow me to express such views in public on their behalf. They do a perfectly good job of explaining what they do in their regular up dates to members - which of course you never see and so contributes to your ingorance.

Personally, I just have an aversion to unfounded criticism and bigotry!

Suggest you switch over to the PBO forum! You might find a post of interest.

Very best of luck with your joint effort if it happens. No doubt you will report the outcome here.
 
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Whatever makes you think that the RYA (if I were their stooge) would ever allow me to express such views in public on their behalf.

[/ QUOTE ] I don't have a lot of time for the RYA but on reflection, I think you're right. If they had any control over you they would have shut you up long ago. You do them a disservice.
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Personally, I just have an aversion to unfounded criticism and bigotry!

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Great! Terrific!
 
Lighten up guys; now this is law!

The Guardia were out in force in Denia this morning stopping cars and checking drivers footwear. Anything like flip flops resulted in a spot fine of 150€. The law in Spain states that drivers must wear “adequate” footwear.

Forewarned is forearmed, so be careful what you wear on your feet if driving.
 
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The Guardia were out in force in Denia this morning stopping cars and checking drivers footwear. Anything like flip flops resulted in a spot fine of 150€. The law in Spain states that drivers must wear “adequate” footwear.

[/ QUOTE ] I wonder what the EU law says /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
And why do you think I do them a disservice by faithfully reproducing their own material in response to unfounded criticism and bigotry?

Nothing I say in respect of the RYA comes from anywhere other than their own sources. It is your state of ignorance that is your problem.

So maybe you should deal with the gaps in your knowledge rather than constantly having a go at other people.
 
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Convenient.

[/ QUOTE ]Did you read the original post (that's the first post in the thread)?
 
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