gjgm
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I guess that just depends on how used you are to big sheds, though.
Plenty of people sail without needing to go fast, so why not a slow boat...?
I did rather like the 60, but a potting shed isnt going to cover it.
Southampton to Monaco - Privateer 50
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I guess that just depends on how used you are to big sheds, though.
Plenty of people sail without needing to go fast, so why not a slow boat...?
I did rather like the 60, but a potting shed isnt going to cover it.
Erik C
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Here's another trip to the Med on a Dutch steel yacht.
http://www.sturieryachts.nl/artikel/reisverslag-trip-to-malta/
http://www.sturieryachts.nl/artikel/reisverslag-trip-to-malta/
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Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. I've got nothing against going slowly. I just think that €2m for a 60 footer with 2 x 200hp engines is an awful lot of money when the same kind of money would by you a plastic 70 footer with 2 x 1200hp engines. I like the Privateer 60 but I was just a bit shocked by the price, thats all
OAF
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Great vid
I had a good look around that boat at the boat show and I was very impressed indeed with the build, and the rufty tuftiness of the little ship, from memory it was in the £ 800k region, hell of a lot of boat!
It might be a serious contender for me in the distant future when I have more time to go slow
I had a good look around that boat at the boat show and I was very impressed indeed with the build, and the rufty tuftiness of the little ship, from memory it was in the £ 800k region, hell of a lot of boat!
It might be a serious contender for me in the distant future when I have more time to go slow
gjgm
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But dont you get several tree plantations inside !
Firefly625
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if I was the owner who had paid for it to be moved by you guys I would be furious if I saw this video, in fact not only would I want a refund I would be sending you a bill as in no way shape of form that can be considered a chargeable activity....
Halcyon Yachts
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Thanks for all the comments - I'm glad you liked the video!
longjohnsilver: The sextant was used on a daily basis just to check the Raymarine was correct - isn't that normal with a shakedown passage?! It looked like we were just off the needles, but we couldn't be certain ;-) Yes - Cape St Vincent, and yes it was unusually calm. There was a bit of ground swell that the surfers at Sagres were enjoying. I was lucky enough to be skippering the other trip you refer to (published in the MBY). We took a Privateer 52 from Falmouth to Palma and back...
Nick_H: Privateer are a company that pride themselves on building boats for serious travelling. I am personally very pleased and encouraged that they do support this type of journey by sea. There is no better test for all the systems and it makes for a very thorough shakedown helping to ensure the new owner will have many years of trouble free boating. Their level of customer service and after care is great. Perhaps I'm biased, but I think all boats should be delivered by sea! It doesn't look right to see them carried by ship...
TommieDee: The aft deck did get quite wet, she sits quite low in the water! Fortunately the seals did an excellent job of keeping it out of the lazerette... The chicken and mushroom casserole was actually sea bass. We caught eight as we were heading out of the solent. It's strange, I'm usually awful at fishing - it must have been something to do with being on a trawler!
jfm: Not sure why the seakeeper was chosen, and I have to say that I don't think it is quite as effective as the fins... However, it is much quieter! The hull shape creates a very comfortable motion and offers a lot of natural stability. When crossing the Golfe de Lion we had it gusting Force 7-8 on the beam and she handled it very well. In a big sea there are few other boats of this size that I'd rather be on... And yes, it was Marina Cap D'Ail. Pedantry excused!
Piers: You may have picked up that I am a fan of the Privateer! I think of them as small ships rather than big dinghies. They are not fast, but as a sailor at heart I find a constant 7 knots in the direction you want to go just fast enough... Much faster and you wouldn't catch so many fish!
Benjenbav: I blame the parents!
The debate of speed is an interesting one, and all boats have to involve compromise. It is apparent from the popularity in marinas all over the world that most people would prefer to be able to go a bit more than 7-8 kts when on a 50 ft powerboat. That said, it is lovely to see a greater variety of boats on the water. The Privateer for me is a very unique boat and has a charm and beauty that certainly appeals to some...
Pete
longjohnsilver: The sextant was used on a daily basis just to check the Raymarine was correct - isn't that normal with a shakedown passage?! It looked like we were just off the needles, but we couldn't be certain ;-) Yes - Cape St Vincent, and yes it was unusually calm. There was a bit of ground swell that the surfers at Sagres were enjoying. I was lucky enough to be skippering the other trip you refer to (published in the MBY). We took a Privateer 52 from Falmouth to Palma and back...
Nick_H: Privateer are a company that pride themselves on building boats for serious travelling. I am personally very pleased and encouraged that they do support this type of journey by sea. There is no better test for all the systems and it makes for a very thorough shakedown helping to ensure the new owner will have many years of trouble free boating. Their level of customer service and after care is great. Perhaps I'm biased, but I think all boats should be delivered by sea! It doesn't look right to see them carried by ship...
TommieDee: The aft deck did get quite wet, she sits quite low in the water! Fortunately the seals did an excellent job of keeping it out of the lazerette... The chicken and mushroom casserole was actually sea bass. We caught eight as we were heading out of the solent. It's strange, I'm usually awful at fishing - it must have been something to do with being on a trawler!
jfm: Not sure why the seakeeper was chosen, and I have to say that I don't think it is quite as effective as the fins... However, it is much quieter! The hull shape creates a very comfortable motion and offers a lot of natural stability. When crossing the Golfe de Lion we had it gusting Force 7-8 on the beam and she handled it very well. In a big sea there are few other boats of this size that I'd rather be on... And yes, it was Marina Cap D'Ail. Pedantry excused!
Piers: You may have picked up that I am a fan of the Privateer! I think of them as small ships rather than big dinghies. They are not fast, but as a sailor at heart I find a constant 7 knots in the direction you want to go just fast enough... Much faster and you wouldn't catch so many fish!
Benjenbav: I blame the parents!
The debate of speed is an interesting one, and all boats have to involve compromise. It is apparent from the popularity in marinas all over the world that most people would prefer to be able to go a bit more than 7-8 kts when on a 50 ft powerboat. That said, it is lovely to see a greater variety of boats on the water. The Privateer for me is a very unique boat and has a charm and beauty that certainly appeals to some...
Pete
Halcyon Yachts
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ps. Here is a video of some of the whales and dolphins we saw on route:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0IpS03qDFU&feature=youtu.be
Pete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0IpS03qDFU&feature=youtu.be
Pete
jfm
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Thanks Halcyon.
I'm very surprised by your comment that the gyro was quieter than fins. I'd regard both of them totally silent underway, ie inaudible above the engine and wave-on-hull noise, even in a quiet boat. And at anchor I'd also regard both as pretty much the same ie very quiet rather than 100% silent
With a beam sea crossing golfe du lyon on a boat like Priv52 I would think the gyro is a bad choice and that fins would be much better. Golfe du lyon is not to be underestimated as you will know well having done this many times. You casn't change the laws of physics and the gyro will I'm afraid run out of precession stroke too soon in those seas, whereas fins have no limit on the time they can apply their anti-roll torque
Incidentally, as for checking GPS on shakedown I would argue engineeringly/scientifically that doing one-time spot checks against a sextant isn't anywhere near as smart as comparing fluxgate/compass/piloted headings against GPS COG over several (say) half-hour periods as you stare at the instruments while on passage
Thanks again for the vid - enjoyed it
I'm very surprised by your comment that the gyro was quieter than fins. I'd regard both of them totally silent underway, ie inaudible above the engine and wave-on-hull noise, even in a quiet boat. And at anchor I'd also regard both as pretty much the same ie very quiet rather than 100% silent
With a beam sea crossing golfe du lyon on a boat like Priv52 I would think the gyro is a bad choice and that fins would be much better. Golfe du lyon is not to be underestimated as you will know well having done this many times. You casn't change the laws of physics and the gyro will I'm afraid run out of precession stroke too soon in those seas, whereas fins have no limit on the time they can apply their anti-roll torque
Incidentally, as for checking GPS on shakedown I would argue engineeringly/scientifically that doing one-time spot checks against a sextant isn't anywhere near as smart as comparing fluxgate/compass/piloted headings against GPS COG over several (say) half-hour periods as you stare at the instruments while on passage
Thanks again for the vid - enjoyed it
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benjenbav
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Thanks Halcyon.
Incidentally, as for checking GPS on shakedown I would argue engineeringly/scientifically that doing one-time spot checks against a sextant isn't anywhere near as smart as comparing fluxgate/compass/piloted headings against GPS COG over several (say) half-hour periods as you stare at the instruments while on passage
Mebbe; but fun to do the sunsights and get out the reduction tables for a bit of old sea-doggery.
MapisM
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Seconded 100%, with ANY sort of slow and heavy boat.
The major advantages of gyros (less drag, less parts exposed) can only justify them on fast and light(ish) boats, imho.
Incidentally, when I looked at the video I hadn't noticed the OP comment on Seakeeper, and I actualy thought at some points that the boat rolled a tad more than I would have expected, though nicely and slowly, of course.
Oh, and fwiw, I also never heard anyone mentionng noise as an issue with fin stabs under way.
Those which I know better being (obviously!) my own 15 years old Naiads, and there is not a chance on earth that you could hear them moving, even in the guests cabins which are above them - in spite of the fact that the boat is very silent overall, with the engines typically spinning between 14 and 16 hundreds rpm, and thick wood making a good sound absorption...
Bassplayer
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We looked at the Privateer 50 at SIBS and thought it very good even at 1MEuro.
But... the Targa 42(?) was I thought a better boat and nearly 1/2 the price. I know it might be chalk and rhubarb, but they are both trawler style boats. And the Targa is good for 30+kts
But, there again, what do I know?
But... the Targa 42(?) was I thought a better boat and nearly 1/2 the price. I know it might be chalk and rhubarb, but they are both trawler style boats. And the Targa is good for 30+kts
But, there again, what do I know?
longjohnsilver
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Apart from the occasional squeak we've never heard our Trac stabs when underway, there's nothing to make any noise apart from the seals.
henryf
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I also had a look round the privateer at Southampton and thought the steelwork was excellent.
Not sure I could live with 8 knots though but that's a debate which will rage until the end of boating time
A great journey, thanks for sharing.
Henry
Not sure I could live with 8 knots though but that's a debate which will rage until the end of boating time
A great journey, thanks for sharing.
Henry
Piers
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Agreed. Silent running with TRAC stabs.
