Somali pirates

[binch]

Somaliland

I thought that my posting about 1950 would flush out the woolly pink softies.
Unless you have had to immerse yourself for a longish period in the Africa of 60 years ago, you can have no idea what it is like trying to bring people who are not much past stone age into the modern world.
How do YOU, Mr bleeding heart, cope with cannibalism? We had to. Evidently, you would rather close your eyes to that bit of the past.
To people whose reasoning powers have not got much past black and white, solutions and civic discipline have to be that simple to be understood.
No doubt Africa in general has made advances in the last 60 years, but their rate of change is slower than Europe and so they fall further behind.
One aspect of the anti-piracy patrol's effectiveness lies in not having a secure base in the middle of the area. We had Mogadiscio, and it is there the slavers and pirates we captured were put on trial.
Oh and by the way, if we were nasty to the slavers (whose methods included throwing their slaves overboard to the sharks in an attempt to evade justice--- if you didn't catch them with slaves on board they could only be charged with murder or manslaughter which are not international crimes) would that nastiness be also evidence of the wickedness of our administration?

 

[Algol]

I thought that my posting about 1950 would flush out the woolly pink softies.
Unless you have had to immerse yourself for a longish period in the Africa of 60 years ago, you can have no idea what it is like trying to bring people who are not much past stone age into the modern world.
How do YOU, Mr bleeding heart, cope with cannibalism? We had to. Evidently, you would rather close your eyes to that bit of the past.
To people whose reasoning powers have not got much past black and white, solutions and civic discipline have to be that simple to be understood.
No doubt Africa in general has made advances in the last 60 years, but their rate of change is slower than Europe and so they fall further behind.
One aspect of the anti-piracy patrol's effectiveness lies in not having a secure base in the middle of the area. We had Mogadiscio, and it is there the slavers and pirates we captured were put on trial.
Oh and by the way, if we were nasty to the slavers (whose methods included throwing their slaves overboard to the sharks in an attempt to evade justice--- if you didn't catch them with slaves on board they could only be charged with murder or manslaughter which are not international crimes) would that nastiness be also evidence of the wickedness of our administration?

I like your posts. They're interesing and amusing. But, I'm neither woolly, pink, nor soft. I'm not a pacifist either, if you know what I mean. I just don't labour under the illusion that my role in life is to somehow drag people out of the stone age whether they like it or not as part of some civilising mission imposed on the white man. Luckily noone else does nowadays - or at least not in the blatantly imperial form you describe. Your experience and worldview is interesting and enlightening, but it belongs in a different time and luckily it's as an exhibit in the museum of history that it best resides now. Have you written at length of your experiences, or been interviewed on them? You really ought to if you haven't. As I say, it's a fascinating experience you have.

 

[Theshipscat]

Were you at Rorkes Drift?
I've never tried cannibalism but faced with that or a bowl of Whelks. Well lets just say leg or breast.
My learned friend is right you do have a wealth of history there and it should be known. As we know there's at lot to learn from what happend in the past. Not making the same mistakes again seems to be one of the things.
Times ain't what they used to be. The media and those liberty people are watching all the time for the military in the West to put a foot out of the humanitarian line. I personally believe that conflicts go on far longer and cost many more lives in the long run because of our so called humanitarianism. But that's the way things are now.

 

[Theshipscat]

I like your posts. They're interesing and amusing. But, I'm neither woolly, pink, nor soft. I'm not a pacifist either, if you know what I mean. I just don't labour under the illusion that my role in life is to somehow drag people out of the stone age whether they like it or not as part of some civilising mission imposed on the white man.



I thought that was why you're in Yorkshire?

 

[Algol]

I thought that was why you're in Yorkshire?

My work there is done. Now I'm in Lancashire. I was once in Scotland but the task there was too onerous

 

[Ubergeekian]

I thought that my posting about 1950 would flush out the woolly pink softies.
Unless you have had to immerse yourself for a longish period in the Africa of 60 years ago, you can have no idea what it is like trying to bring people who are not much past stone age into the modern world.
How do YOU, Mr bleeding heart, cope with cannibalism? We had to.

Details, please.

Of course the poor heathen savages might equally ask how we would cope with a bunch of racist thugs coming into our towns and demanding prisoners for arbitrary punishment on pain of indiscriminate destruction.

 

[xxyyzz]

Algol:-

"I just don't labour under the illusion that my role in life is to somehow drag people out of the stone age whether they like it or not as part of some civilising mission imposed on the white man."

Ahem...

"What's needed? International coalition assistance to create a Somali navy and coastguard and suitable ports with naval help in the meantime to secure their waters against foreign trawlers and waste dumpers, plus some assistance to help rebuild the Somali fishing industry."

Or do we consider those to be stone-age or uncivilised concepts?

I wouldn't want to impose civilisation on them either though. I reckon just scoot down the coast in choppers and whack any boat that looks like a pirate might use it. It'd be done in a week, leaving only a lighter patrol to keep the boat numbers under control.

 

[nimbusgb]

Were you at Rorkes Drift?
I've never tried cannibalism but faced with that or a bowl of Whelks. Well lets just say leg or breast.
.

Cannibalism at Rorks drift? What have you been smoking?

 

[Theshipscat]

Cannibalism at Rorks drift? What have you been smoking?

Read it again.

 

[Algol]

I reckon just scoot down the coast in choppers and whack any boat that looks like a pirate might use it. It'd be done in a week, leaving only a lighter patrol to keep the boat numbers under control.

Well, you should set it up as a scenario in whatever game it is that gets you hard, cos it ain't gonna happen in real life.

 

[Theshipscat]

And then what Einstien?

 

[Magaz97]

Pirates and politicos

Well, this thread has certainly kept me entertained. It seems to be regularly contributed to by numerous pompous, self-righteous, self-important armchair politicians, all trying to outdo each other with ridiculous displays of self indulgent clap trap. Take a look back through the thread...if you cant see any..its probably you!
I wonder how the Chandlers are doing?..I wonder if they are worrying about what newspapers we all read, or do you think they just want to get safely home?....and dont really give a toss about how its done......I dont know, maybe I am missing something.

light blue touch (touchy) paper and stand well back!

 

[davidfox]

Couple of steel hulled motorsailers cruising the area manned by mercenaries equipped with rpg's etc. seemples

A couple of GPMG's in a sustained fire configuration, one in five ball and tracer, they would last 5 seconds.

 

[Algol]

Well, this thread has certainly kept me entertained. It seems to be regularly contributed to by numerous pompous, self-righteous, self-important armchair politicians, all trying to outdo each other with ridiculous displays of self indulgent clap trap.

Welcome to the thread! You're fitting in well already

 

[Magaz97]

Welcome to the thread! You're fitting in well already

Well...thanks.

 

[xxyyzz]

Well, you should set it up as a scenario in whatever game it is that gets you hard, cos it ain't gonna happen in real life.

Ditto your touchy feely build a ports, navies and a fishing industry that pays better than piracy approach.

Sounds more like sim-city than the real world. At least with my plan the choppers are already down there and people have already sunk a few boats from helicopters, I'm merely talking about scale.

Whereas you want to shift in a massive construction effort, training similar to what we're failing to do in Afghanistan and a security operation that makes the Afghan one look half hearted and you think that shipping companies will pay for it.

When you look at it like that which is less likely? The one that has actually been done albeit on a small scale and where the equipment is already there or the one that only exists in some limp wristed liberal wonderland?

 

[Algol]

They're both about as likely, TBH. It just depends what kind of world you want to live in really - one where we turn a blind eye while fishing companies and the mafia make millions by killing fishing grounds and dumping toxic waste or one where we blow away some people who had the nerve to get out and feed their families when all other options had disappeared.

 

[chrishelen]

They're both about as likely, TBH. It just depends what kind of world you want to live in really - one where we turn a blind eye while fishing companies and the mafia make millions by killing fishing grounds and dumping toxic waste or one where we blow away some people who had the nerve to get out and feed their families when all other options had disappeared.

They also provide their familys with nice big new 4x4s to get them to the shops i suppose.

 

[Algol]

You make Somalia sound like Surbiton. If it's that good why don't you go and live there?

 

[David_Jersey]

How do YOU, Mr bleeding heart, cope with cannibalism?

I think the answer nowadays is: give 'em a passport. and then be surprised when someone's kid ends up in the cooking pot. If the Social Worker ain't also at the meal........