lw395
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Same here, but to be fair, a poor engine, unpredictable Autumn weather, short days, short time frame and single handed are all things making it less easy.
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Same here, but to be fair, a poor engine, unpredictable Autumn weather, short days, short time frame and single handed are all things making it less easy.
steveeasy
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Hey poor engine. Not on my boat thank you. I've a very reliable and plenty powerful engine. The props the problem. Sailing single handed causes me no concerns as long as I plan accordingly.
I've no idear what I'd do if I picked up a line. But I'll cross that one when it happens.
As I've not set off as yet my plan may well change. However I am still crossing Lyme bay as it's going to be an excellent and exciting trip.
Steveeasy
I've no idear what I'd do if I picked up a line. But I'll cross that one when it happens.
As I've not set off as yet my plan may well change. However I am still crossing Lyme bay as it's going to be an excellent and exciting trip.
Steveeasy
Seajet
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Steveasy,
re collecting a lobster pot line around the prop, I'm lucky having an outboard in a well so hopefully I can just unclamp the engine, lift it and apply an old serrated breadsaw; I keep one of these in the cockpit and one forward in the anchor locker ( I'll explain the forward one another time ) .
For boats like my other one with an inboard, I think garden loppers are the answer to pot lines - try Amazon, and ideally go for ones with a serrated outer blade.
I'd drill a hole and make a wrist lanyard too.
re collecting a lobster pot line around the prop, I'm lucky having an outboard in a well so hopefully I can just unclamp the engine, lift it and apply an old serrated breadsaw; I keep one of these in the cockpit and one forward in the anchor locker ( I'll explain the forward one another time ) .
For boats like my other one with an inboard, I think garden loppers are the answer to pot lines - try Amazon, and ideally go for ones with a serrated outer blade.
I'd drill a hole and make a wrist lanyard too.
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lw395
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Please pass on my apologies to your engine. Engine/prop whatever.
However you divide the trip, you are effectively committed to at least one fairly arduous leg singlehanded unless conditions are perfect.
XCweather is suggesting a bit breezier than I'd choose over the weekend.
Sandy
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There maybe weather ahead (sung to the tune of "there maybe trouble ahead)
http://marine.meteoconsult.co.uk/ma...r-defaut/weather-forecast-plymouth-1564-0.php
steveeasy
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The engine says fine. Just got to finish a few things, Drop in to see the Doc and ill be off down to the boat. couple of days prep and I bet it pours down. The weather is fab this week.
Seajet.
Long loppers, had not thought of them, jolly good idear, ill take some with me and leave them on the boat.
Steveeasy
jac
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Ah - but you're not Andy where anything outside Chichester is basically a civil war.
dom
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Cept it would seem that Andy’s advice is sound! Even the RNLI is fed up sorting out boats trapped on pots off the Bill.
Garden loppers seem like a seriously good idea :encouragement:
Channel Sailor
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Loppers sounds good, with lanyard. Something lighter to handle compared to rigging wire cutters.
I keep on board a wetsuit, diving goggles, snorkel, flippers and a large divers knife. It would have to be quite calm for me to use them to inspect what has happened underneath, but maybe I could even clear the problem from at least the rudder which is easier to get to. I dive on the yacht maybe once a year to clean off weed and inspect anodes, but getting to the propellor is a difficult area to reach so loppers would help if fouled with net.
I keep on board a wetsuit, diving goggles, snorkel, flippers and a large divers knife. It would have to be quite calm for me to use them to inspect what has happened underneath, but maybe I could even clear the problem from at least the rudder which is easier to get to. I dive on the yacht maybe once a year to clean off weed and inspect anodes, but getting to the propellor is a difficult area to reach so loppers would help if fouled with net.
chrishscorp
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Did this trip earlier this year.
Portsmouth - Studland Studland - Portland Portland - Torquay Torquay - Dartmouth
Fuel @ Portland, Brixham and Dartmouth
Portland is a bit souless but nice food in there restruant.
Torquay excellent fish and chips (and loads less bird cr@p than Brixham, everything was covered in it)
Dartmouth is just a lovely spot and worth stopping over and an explore, or you could go up river to dittisham depends on time available.
If the range is in use the patrol boats will buzz you and will ask you to alter your course to avoid the range, or you can ring ahead, number posted earlier in thread. Have a good trip its a lovely part of the world.
Portsmouth - Studland Studland - Portland Portland - Torquay Torquay - Dartmouth
Fuel @ Portland, Brixham and Dartmouth
Portland is a bit souless but nice food in there restruant.
Torquay excellent fish and chips (and loads less bird cr@p than Brixham, everything was covered in it)
Dartmouth is just a lovely spot and worth stopping over and an explore, or you could go up river to dittisham depends on time available.
If the range is in use the patrol boats will buzz you and will ask you to alter your course to avoid the range, or you can ring ahead, number posted earlier in thread. Have a good trip its a lovely part of the world.
dom
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MoD has a useful site to help forward routing: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lulworth-firing-notice
oldmanofthehills
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If you would leave your boat in wetsuit and enter the water between Portland Bill and the Race you are a braver man than I. Swimming where there may be strong currents anytime is unwise. When I got "potted" off Padstow the tide was starting to run at 2kts and even a leash would not have protected me well in the water. After a Pan Pan the RNLI practicing nearby came over with a meat cleaver on a stick and did the job but even then one got hit in the helmet by our plunging stern.
I do however have spare garden loppers so might stow them aboard. It wouldn't have helped off Padstow as line was round prop and rudder so cutting myself free without sorting that out would have resulted in me drifting helplessly in dangerous rocky waters of Trevose Head.
Portland Bill was a bit cluttered and I would not want to do the inside passage at night.
Tranona
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Diving is not a good idea in the sort of conditions being discussed here. Remember listening to the "rescue" of someone trying it in exactly these sort of circumstances off Old Harry. Watched the helicopter deliver his body to Poole hospital.
Seriously, loppers have their uses if you can get at the rope, but really the only chance you have of avoiding getting ropes round your prop is to fit an effective rope cutter. Not 100% but enough evidence from users of their effectiveness. May not help if it is the rudder that is snagged where loppers might help. However if there is any tide running (as is often the case) the line is stretched taut and often impossible to reach to cut.
lw395
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I think the best way to avoid being caught by pot lines is to be sailing rather than motoring.
A folded prop gathers few lines.
Secondly, you want to be near slack water, which is much more reliably achieved leaving from Portland or Weymouth. This avoids the markers being dragged under by the tide.
Thirdly you want a crew so you can keep a proper lookout.
The most effective way of dealing with a snared pot line is often to hook under the line astern while trying to sail away from it. It's usually a creel, not a Rocna on the end.
A folded prop gathers few lines.
Secondly, you want to be near slack water, which is much more reliably achieved leaving from Portland or Weymouth. This avoids the markers being dragged under by the tide.
Thirdly you want a crew so you can keep a proper lookout.
The most effective way of dealing with a snared pot line is often to hook under the line astern while trying to sail away from it. It's usually a creel, not a Rocna on the end.
Seajet
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Agreed, Loppers are a last resort from aboard, quite probably with a harness on - no way in the world would I suggest going over the side in those circumstances, it would be bad enough already being pinned by the stern in a big tide and probably significant waves.
This is why I suggest keeping to the outside way around the Race.
This is why I suggest keeping to the outside way around the Race.
LadyInBed
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I wish you luck trying to raise your engine with the prop tethered to the seabed by a pot line and the boat being pushed down current / wind. Let alone removing it from the transom!
dom
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Agreed, while mindful of not yanking the entire propshaft out of the boat and poss sinking it!
Seajet
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Well it seemed to work when I lifted the engine in my well.
lw395
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The force from the sails is unlikely to do that, unless you already done a lot of damage getting the rope around the prop. The worst damage I've seen was more about trying to rip the P bracket out of the hull as the roped-up prop stopped the engine.
Maybe keepin the revs down and going with the tide might have helped?
On the flip side, Weymouth is a nice place to go for a crab sandwich.....
doug748
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I got trapped by a huge net. After cutting away maybe 10 metres from the stern I went into the water to detach the rest, it was flat calm with little tide. A knife and saw achieved little. Fortunately I had onboard a chefs knife with this sort of profile:
http://peteskitchenwares.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/37100-chef-knife-Featured.jpg
By lashing it to a boathook and forcing the tip between the stands and driving it through, against the prop and shaft, it cut the stuff away in short order. I was able to do this, half in and half out of the inflatable, lashed alongside.
I was very cold and lucky to get away with it. Inshore, in a tide or off season, I would try to sail into shore or call out the cavalry.
I now have an old pair of garden cutters but not sure if they would do the full job, with Polysteel you have no chance.
http://peteskitchenwares.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/37100-chef-knife-Featured.jpg
By lashing it to a boathook and forcing the tip between the stands and driving it through, against the prop and shaft, it cut the stuff away in short order. I was able to do this, half in and half out of the inflatable, lashed alongside.
I was very cold and lucky to get away with it. Inshore, in a tide or off season, I would try to sail into shore or call out the cavalry.
I now have an old pair of garden cutters but not sure if they would do the full job, with Polysteel you have no chance.