Sigma 36 vrs She 36

yoda said:
Is this one no good? I would be surprised if you get a Sigma 36 an anything close to this price.
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/PAA18854

I sailed a Sigma 36 for a couple of years including a fastnet and it is not an easy boat to get the best out of. The rig needs some very careful setting up and the boom sweeps very low unless it has been cut short on the leach. I would expect sing handing it to be quite a handful.

Yoda
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Hi,
Yes, I've seen the advert and spoken with the owner (who's in his '80's and has raced the boat since 1981). Actually tiller-steered which I believe is unusual for the She 36. The price reflects the amount of work need for the internal refit, without any allowance for what might be needed for hull, rigging, sails or navionics.

Could be a good buy for someone with the time and skills available. Unfortunately, while I have the skills I don't have the time (not if I want to sail this year).
 
Phideaux said:
Hi,
Yes, I've seen the advert and spoken with the owner (who's in his '80's and has raced the boat since 1981). Actually tiller-steered which I believe is unusual for the She 36. The price reflects the amount of work need for the internal refit, without any allowance for what might be needed for hull, rigging, sails or navionics.

Could be a good buy for someone with the time and skills available. Unfortunately, while I have the skills I don't have the time (not if I want to sail this year).
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I made a tiller for a She 36 in 1978 i would think not unusual in fact quite the reverse as wheel steering wasn't "In vogue" for smaller boats @ that time.
That She 36 is very cheap you couldnt buy a Crabber :rolleyes: for that money
 
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BlowingOldBoots said:
Here is the link to the YBW boat report for the Sigma 36. Its about £6 to download. Look down the list to find the Sigma 36. I found this service useful to get a good overview when buying my own boat.

http://marinedirectory.ybw.com/reprints/results1.jsp
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Thanks for this I have just joined the forum and did my CC and Day Skipper on a Sigma 40 in the Humber and North Sea in October and a fancy a smaller variant for me and the missus!
 
Yellowbelly said:
Thanks for this I have just joined the forum and did my CC and Day Skipper on a Sigma 40 in the Humber and North Sea in October and a fancy a smaller variant for me and the missus!
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I think you mean a Sigma 400. This was designed by Rob Humphries and is not really of the 'Sigma' family. The 33, 36, 362, 38 and 41 were all David Thomas designs and quite wonderful.
 
rudolph_hart said:
And (IIRC) wasn't there also a Sigma 35 - a smaller Humphries sister to the 400, and younger than all 36s?
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I've seen a couple. I believe they were built in the last days of Sigma. They look quite like a slightly stretched 33, although I've never been on board to compare them.
 
Seajet said:
I know each boat in essence, but haven't actually sailed them.

The Sigma's friends have had weren't exactly over-built, but it's basically a good boat, may be a handful without a big crew.

The She - one word, or rather name sums her up- 'Lorelei'.

Like comparing an Escort Turbo to an Aston Martin ?
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Not a good comparison. Depending on which generation Escort and which generation Aston you will likely find the Escort quicker in real life. And in boats as in cars, we make progress as time goes by. The Sigma may be smallish and slow by comparison with a modern equivalent but then the She will be small and slow by comparison with the Sigma ( Sigma handicap 904 She handicap 930)
 
wotayottie said:
Not a good comparison. Depending on which generation Escort and which generation Aston you will likely find the Escort quicker in real life. And in boats as in cars, we make progress as time goes by. The Sigma may be smallish and slow by comparison with a modern equivalent but then the She will be small and slow by comparison with the Sigma ( Sigma handicap 904 She handicap 930)
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Wotayottie,

let me put it this way; have you read of the She 36 'Lorelei' in the 1979 Fastnet ? She stayed controllable and picked up survivors whose lesser boats had been overwhelmed, I saw a painting of this at Redcliffe YC where I presume an owner is/ was based, captioned something like " she'll never let me down, I'd trust her through anything ".

I met a couple of young idiots who'd just 'repositioned' a Sigma 36 to Bermuda for a large well known sailing school - charter outfit.

They seemed pretty clueless, but that's no excuse for six feet of the windward deck separating from the hull...
 
Seajet said:
Wotayottie,

let me put it this way; have you read of the She 36 'Lorelei' in the 1979 Fastnet ? She stayed controllable and picked up survivors whose lesser boats had been overwhelmed, I saw a painting of this at Redcliffe YC where I presume an owner is/ was based, captioned something like " she'll never let me down, I'd trust her through anything ".

I met a couple of young idiots who'd just 'repositioned' a Sigma 36 to Bermuda for a large well known sailing school - charter outfit.

They seemed pretty clueless, but that's no excuse for six feet of the windward deck separating from the hull...
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She 36 the sweetest handling boat I've ever sailed. There's not that much wrong with a UFO34, but the She 36 is better.
 
jwilson said:
She 36 the sweetest handling boat I've ever sailed. There's not that much wrong with a UFO34, but the She 36 is better.
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Couldn't agree more.

The She 36 is a very very special boat.

Doesn't fit my overall needs nowadays, but if I were in the market for a boat that was just about 'the sailing', then I can't think of much that would be anywhere near the She 36 on my list. Only boat that i've ever sailed where I looked out for the really windy days!
 
Seajet said:
Wotayottie,

let me put it this way; have you read of the She 36 'Lorelei' in the 1979 Fastnet ? She stayed controllable and picked up survivors whose lesser boats had been overwhelmed, I saw a painting of this at Redcliffe YC where I presume an owner is/ was based, captioned something like " she'll never let me down, I'd trust her through anything ".

I met a couple of young idiots who'd just 'repositioned' a Sigma 36 to Bermuda for a large well known sailing school - charter outfit.

They seemed pretty clueless, but that's no excuse for six feet of the windward deck separating from the hull...
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Last time you told this story it was a Sigma 33 and I did not believe it then either.
 
Quandary said:
Last time you told this story it was a Sigma 33 and I did not believe it then either.
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TBH I'm not sure if it was a 33 or 36 and said so then edited it.

Either way they were built by the same people to the same standard.

A good friend did a Fastnet in a 33, they had various gear failures I seem to recall, both on the race and the run-up.

As for believing me, you're obviously a poor judge.

I am still in touch with the mutual friend I met those 2 jokers via, and you might manage to guess the sailing school.

Feel free to put me on ignore, it's certainly the best place for you.
 
Seajet said:
TBH I'm not sure if it was a 33 or 36 and said so then edited it.

Either way they were built by the same people to the same standard.

A good friend did a Fastnet in a 33, they had various gear failures I seem to recall, both on the race and the run-up.

As for believing me, you're obviously a poor judge.

I am still in touch with the mutual friend I met those 2 jokers via, and you might manage to guess the sailing school.

Feel free to put me on ignore, it's certainly the best place for you.
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Touchy, aren't you, if you want to believed you should try posting facts, not stuff you dream up, and then pretend you can not remember; I don't want to put you on ignore, sure where else would I go for a laugh.
I suspect that I may know a good deal more about Sigmas and how they are put together than you do, but I tend only to post information I can verify.
 
Seajet said:
Wotayottie,

let me put it this way; have you read of the She 36 'Lorelei' in the 1979 Fastnet ?
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No. But then at one time I had never heard of Anderson 22s either.

Seajet said:
She stayed controllable and picked up survivors whose lesser boats had been overwhelmed, I saw a painting of this at Redcliffe YC where I presume an owner is/ was based, captioned something like " she'll never let me down, I'd trust her through anything ".

I met a couple of young idiots who'd just 'repositioned' a Sigma 36 to Bermuda for a large well known sailing school - charter outfit.

They seemed pretty clueless, but that's no excuse for six feet of the windward deck separating from the hull...
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It was my impression that the majority of boats entered in the 79 Fastnet survived, but in any case do you really buy a boat on the basis that it will survive a hurricane or on the basis that it will do what you want in the 99.9% of the time when there isnt a hurricane blowing? Maybe you would go out with a forecast like the 79 one in front of you, but most of us would not. 79 fastnet performance is irrelevant , particularly in this era of readily available weather forecasts.
 
wotayottie said:
does anyone have a list of 79 fastnet boat designs split up into those that sank and those that didnt?
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There's an appendix at the back of "Left for Dead". I remember Lorelei (She 36) finished third in her class after being given redress. IIRC, there were certainly Sigma 33's that finished. The book obviously doesn't paint a good picture of the suitability of a Nicholson 30 for the race, although it is mentioned several times that they had been happy racing in a F8 previously and were not fazed by the prospect of another gale.

I don't think any Anderson 22's took part :D
 
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