Should Sailing Involve Physical Effort and some Discomfort?

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Sadly for me, with a varnished Folkboat, I've convinced myself that 'Effort & Discomfort' make my 'Classical Sailing' purer.
By the way, the 2 things on the side of one's head, the things for listening; that's how "Yes" is pronounced.
 
You might consider me as a bit of a dinosaur, but I frankly like going to the mast to set and adjust the sails. I enjoy the challenge and the exertion and can't help noticing that a lot of the time, I can do it faster and better than those staying in their cockpits. I think there is a place for 'workout' sailing - as long as you don't have to do it, if you don't want to!
 
I think Sandy has it spot on - whatever floats your boat.

I took up racing to fill the niche in my life created by giving up playing Rugby. I treat that exactly the same way, if effort, pain and discomfort are required to win then they are required.

For cruising it is completely different. It's a way of socialising. I like a boat that sails well, even when cruising, but there is no point putting off crew by unnecessary discomfort.
 
Having sailed since the 50s (actually 'crewed' as a three year old in '50) I expect people to suck it up and put up with the 'proper' Swatchways style of roughing it. The current snowflake bunch will never understand what real sailing is about. In mast furling? all headsails on furlers? That is not proper sailing!! You need to get very wet in uncomfortable waterproofs and look forward to landfall. Heh, but it was great fun back then. .. Cors, as age creeps in..some of the creature comforts could look atractive. But you gotta resist! Not real sailing!
Some peeps might disagree... Even I might..
 
You might consider me as a bit of a dinosaur, but I frankly like going to the mast to set and adjust the sails. I enjoy the challenge and the exertion and can't help noticing that a lot of the time, I can do it faster and better than those staying in their cockpits. I think there is a place for 'workout' sailing - as long as you don't have to do it, if you don't want to!

I like the idea of doing that but as we sail mostly as a couple then we both sleep much better with a rule of "never leave the cockpit if the other person is down below" so for most of our sailing we have to do it from the cockpit or leave the sail flapping/too big/too small. So as many systems as possible go back to the cockpit otherwise we'd be limited to day sailing or only adjust on change of watch - keeping the other person up longer than needed.

Our holidays involve us mostly sailing alone and passing on the stairs which seems to suit us very well but does rely on a boat which is set up to require minimum effort to sail ok, and only a bit more to sail a bit better.
 
Having sailed since the 50s (actually 'crewed' as a three year old in '50) I expect people to suck it up and put up with the 'proper' Swatchways style of roughing it. The current snowflake bunch will never understand what real sailing is about. In mast furling? all headsails on furlers? That is not proper sailing!! You need to get very wet in uncomfortable waterproofs and look forward to landfall. Heh, but it was great fun back then. .. Cors, as age creeps in..some of the creature comforts could look atractive. But you gotta resist! Not real sailing!
Some peeps might disagree... Even I might..
Absolutely true. My early dinghy sailing involved going out without a lifejacket unless there was an R in the month in ordinary trousers and a woollen shirt, and after struggling round our reservoir carefully putting the cotton sails in the sail shed to dry off. The Broads were not much better, especially in April, our usual time. Gaberdine coats provided some protection but were could be driven to stuffing tea-towels into the cracks in the cabin to keep the wind out. Even in the '70s almost nothing on the boat worked properly, sleeping bags were basic and you needed to wear a towelling scarf to keep the spray out as neck closures and proper hoods didn't exist. As for heating and sprayhoods, tha was for cissies and plutocrats.

No. The young must suffer - the more miserable the better as far as I am concerned.
 
Having sailed since the 50s (actually 'crewed' as a three year old in '50) I expect people to suck it up and put up with the 'proper' Swatchways style of roughing it. The current snowflake bunch will never understand what real sailing is about. In mast furling? all headsails on furlers? That is not proper sailing!! You need to get very wet in uncomfortable waterproofs and look forward to landfall. Heh, but it was great fun back then. .. Cors, as age creeps in..some of the creature comforts could look atractive. But you gotta resist! Not real sailing!
Some peeps might disagree... Even I might..

Speaking as a manifestation of that (relative) rarity, the youthful yachtsman, I must protest...

Circa 800nm covered this summer incl 4 channel crossings in wind up to F6 and sea state up to rough, F7 upwind on a coastal passage, outboard in a well in the cockpit (so ear defenders necessary for long windless trips) and lifted out for sail passage making. Reefing is at the mast, proper symmetric spinnaker with pole, etc. Must confess the boat still has roller furling (as when we bought her), and indeed I recently upgraded this. We have three heads (!) on board: there is a chemical lavatory (as yet unchristened in our ownership) under a cushion in the forepeak bunk, and two buckets in the lazarette locker. The boat came with spray hood and lazyjacks, but I consider the former a bit of an eyesore and the latter a bit of a nuisance with a relatively easily handled sail, so now the mainsail is flaked down and the spray hood stays in the shed.

My crews tend to be similarly aged and of an adventurous nature; most also have little other sailing experience, and they have kept coming back so far...

Having said all that... I went round some of the Discovery/Southerly yachts at SIBS, and must say I feel the appeal; I also sail occasionally on an HR36, which is gorgeous in many ways. I suspect by the time (if ever) that I could even consider affording one, and given time to cross oceans or venture into high latitudes, I might be very happy to sit at the chart table in a deck saloon and keep a lookout from the warm and dry. It's very much still sailing, and retains most of the magic—but I find bigger boats I've sailed to date feel more like a machine to take you through the water than the dinghy-like feeling of a tiller-steered small boat with an open cockpit and low deck?

[cut to sofa]
"And then when we used to go upwind, our boats would sink, blow up, burn us to death, then we'd drown, and when we'd got home our father would thrash us to sleep." "Upwind? Lucky."
[...]
And you know, you tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you?

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE]

(all the above meant largely in jest, hopefully to be taken that way...) :)
 
Speaking as a manifestation of that (relative) rarity, the youthful yachtsman, I must protest...

Circa 800nm covered this summer incl 4 channel crossings in wind up to F6 and sea state up to rough, F7 upwind on a coastal passage, outboard in a well in the cockpit (so ear defenders necessary for long windless trips) and lifted out for sail passage making. Reefing is at the mast, proper symmetric spinnaker with pole, etc. Must confess the boat still has roller furling (as when we bought her), and indeed I recently upgraded this. We have three heads (!) on board: there is a chemical lavatory (as yet unchristened in our ownership) under a cushion in the forepeak bunk, and two buckets in the lazarette locker. The boat came with spray hood and lazyjacks, but I consider the former a bit of an eyesore and the latter a bit of a nuisance with a relatively easily handled sail, so now the mainsail is flaked down and the spray hood stays in the shed.

My crews tend to be similarly aged and of an adventurous nature; most also have little other sailing experience, and they have kept coming back so far...

Having said all that... I went round some of the Discovery/Southerly yachts at SIBS, and must say I feel the appeal; I also sail occasionally on an HR36, which is gorgeous in many ways. I suspect by the time (if ever) that I could even consider affording one, and given time to cross oceans or venture into high latitudes, I might be very happy to sit at the chart table in a deck saloon and keep a lookout from the warm and dry. It's very much still sailing, and retains most of the magic—but I find bigger boats I've sailed to date feel more like a machine to take you through the water than the dinghy-like feeling of a tiller-steered small boat with an open cockpit and low deck?

[cut to sofa]
"And then when we used to go upwind, our boats would sink, blow up, burn us to death, then we'd drown, and when we'd got home our father would thrash us to sleep." "Upwind? Lucky."
[...]
And you know, you tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you?

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE]

(all the above meant largely in jest, hopefully to be taken that way...) :)

:eagerness: Good Post - although we 'ad it 'arder than you kids dare imagine; after a long wet slog to windward we had Vesta Meals which make Pot Noodles seem the acme of perfection, no pub grub just a mixed grill in a Wimpy...
 
The sailing's only as good as the weather. Open-cockpit boat...limited days of pleasure in the UK.

I'd enjoy a physically demanding traditional boat, but I can't justify the mooring cost for a yacht I would only want to sail in summer.

So...effort? No problem. But discomfort? No thanks.

Solution? Motorsailer. Funding? Pending... :rolleyes:
 
[cut to sofa]
"And then when we used to go upwind, our boats would sink, blow up, burn us to death, then we'd drown, and when we'd got home our father would thrash us to sleep." "Upwind? Lucky."
[...]
And you know, you tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you?

Aye, but Westerly have gone bankrupt since then.
 
- I flake the mainsail down onto the boom and wrap it up with an old-fashioned cover

- I put the spray-hood down most of the time when sailing.

- I wet sand the old antifouling every winter to stop it building up too much.

I do all these things and more when there are easier and more comfortable alternatives because I think they improve the pleasures of sailing. And after a recent thread I’m considering moving the burgee to the masthead!

Am I mad? Or just misguided? Perhaps my standards will slip as I get older and less active.
+1

No not Mad, I shall be wet sanding my hull on Tuesday the smoother she is before new antifoul the faster she should run im sure.
 
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