Shorter winters: next marina rip-off?

Sounds like they are taking into account the effects of global warming.

Supply and demand? No, it's what they can get away with.

Don't use a marina.
 
"What they can get away with" is supply and demand. So pay up and stop moaning or move elsehwere

Why is it a rip-off? You do get something for it which is a great deal more than you do for the much larger sums you give G Brown.
 
Whoa there Birdseye! I'm not moaning, nor did I say it was a rip off!. I don't really care what marinas charge, I'm on a swinging mooring. Hence my comment "Don't use a marina".

FWIW I don't like marinas and I do think they are expensive. If people want to use them then it's up to them, but it's daft to then complain about the price.

I think your comments are aimed in the wrong direction.
 
1st Nov seems quite reasonable, we don't start the dinghy winter racing season until november, and it always finishes at easter... when we start sailing again for the summer....
 
Im shocked that all the replys suport incresed prices. In Elba they started with a 6period tarif moving most boats out and ruining life.

If the poor "new rich" really want show how thwy can spend without care then spend a summer crusing Italy and staying every night in a port.

No wonder the majority are stupid its true im sorry to see

now all it needs is a reply from a fool with 20000 posts and an image of a rock up his ass defending stupidity
 
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now all it needs is a reply from a fool with 20000 posts and an image of a rock up his ass defending stupidity

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What have I missed?

I haven't seen that particular avatar, have I?

And even Brendan and Jimi haven't posted into five figures yet . . .

- Nick
 
Let's be clear about this. Everyone in this world charges what the market will bear. Tesco, ironmongers, chandlers, marinas, and many of us who are in business ourselves. The commercial world obeys only one law; that of supply and demand.

However, we are also consumers, and we pay what we think is the going rate, or get out. I pay MDL to service my mid-river mooring, store my boat ashore, lift it in and out and provide a water-taxi service. I happen to think that their charge is reasonable one for the service I get. Sure, there are blokes in the wilds of Wisbech paying £1 pa for a self-maintained creek mooring and a wonky wooden scaffold to even get on their boats. There are also people on the Hamble paying three times or more what I pay for the privilege of being on the water.

Let us remember a couple of things. MDL (or any other marina operator) is not in the FTSE 100 list of top-performing companies. And profit is not a dirty word. It's why Beneteau builds boats, Lewmar make winches, Musto make oilies, I charge our my services for as much as I my market will bear, and it's why MDL run marinas.

If you don't like it, take up something else. In a situation not to your liking, there are always three (and only three) options: put up, get out, or change it. But please don't moan.

Regards, Mudhook
 
If you look carefully at my avatar, I think he is referring to me /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

and just to annoy him, I think I may well respond and defend marinas, who are just running businesses like anyone else, and lets face it, the sailing season is getting longer and longer, with many more leaving boats in for the winter
 
I think you two have a little of what they call 'previous'. I seem to remember a post from you a while back slating Trouville for never posting anything useful. I think that might explain his uncharacteristically pugnacious stance.

Be so nice if you two would kiss and make up - enough aggro on here elsewhere.
 
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No wonder the majority are stupid

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Don't be so pompous.

If I want to keep my boat on a marina, along with many others, it's not because I am stupid it's because I am prepared to pay to have 24/7 access to my boat whatever the state of tide. I do not have to have a seperate tender. What I pay also includes winter storage ashore if I wish or I can leave it in the water and use it 12 months of the year. So I do not have to pay additionally for winter storage.
 
You are right this is the attitude that will eventualy mean that boating becomes beyond the reach of all but the mega rich.
 
I think we got away from the orignal point. Which was the reduction of winter time from 6 to 4 months.

The marina i keep my boat in France is continuing with winter from 1 oct to 31 march when prices are one third of the summer rate however since the euro rates have increased 40%

In Italy as in the uk marinas have changed the tarrif period now july aug and september have incresed from free to 8000 lira PD (6 euros) to 160 euros PD!for a 12 meter boat

In Sweden rates have also increased from 140 SEK pd to 200SEK pd (mariefred) admidtedly a tourist marina but Norrkoping increased from 70SEK pd to 110 SEK pd but then like the Italians the Swedish are very rich and dont notice these increases asthe gasthamns guiden has stopped listing prices this year! Just as in the French compass fewere marinas list their long term rates

I agree all the ports are full and there are those that will pay more for a place but is it reasonalble to increase the price to a point that supply and demand are equal? and what of normal boat users that dont get huge windfall bonuses how do we manage to pay the huge increases?

Ive noticed that fule prices have risen 15% (in France) 8/10% (in Sweden) these increases are considerd outragous just as an increase of 30% for a pint of milk would be so why should port price increase for no other reason than there are to many boats ?

If the port added a sauna wi-fi for all and free phones etc then the price rise would be justified?

Anyway i cant afford summer prices so i have extra chain and a large anchor and diving gear for when theres a large cement mooring block avalable where holding with the anchors bad (cannes)

I expect marinas at least in the UK will go the way of british rail minimum standards maximum price,I imagin i will be sailing a mirror soon and moor it in the garden!when not sailing
 
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I expect marinas at least in the UK will go the way of british rail minimum standards maximum price

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Sad, but true.

As to the point of staying out of marinas:
1. insurance does not allow me on a mooring in winter (or charges huge increase in premimum)
2. I found very few swinging moorings on the East Coast available in winter. If anyone knows of any, please PM me.
 
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