Shipping forecast - sea state

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I have to confess that I very rarely listen to the shipping forecast for my weather information when I’m going to be at sea (instead I’ll use the met office website as well as sites like windfinder/windguru), and if I happen to catch it when not going to sea I usually zone out after the general synopses. However, I caught it the other day and started thinking about its content and was surprised to hear no mention of the sea state. I’m used to getting sea state information from the met office website included in both the shipping forecast and the inshore waters forecast and had assumed it was information read out as part of the radio broadcast. I’m also sure I’ve heard sea state being read out in the past (possibly years ago).

I’ve tried to do some online research to find out about the inclusion of sea state information in the broadcast, and there is virtually nothing. Wikipedia (the site for absolute beginners) suggests it is read out as part of the area forecasts (which it isn’t). Another site said that the sea state has only been provided by the met office since 2006, but then that is contradicted by a shipping forecasts I’ve come across from pre-2006 that included sea state information. I’m now very confused and feel like I’m going slightly mad as I’m sure in the past I‘ve heard it as part of the broadcast! It’s possible I’m getting confused with what I’ve heard in the maritime safety information broadcast as I’ve certainly heard sea state information there. However, there is no reliable mention online of it ever being part of the broadcast, having ever being taken out of the broadcast or when it was first included in the forecast.

Has sea state ever been part of the Radio 4 broadcast? If not, why not? I know they try to follow a strict 350 word limit in the broadcast, but I would have thought that sea state is more useful information than whether it is going to be ‘rain’ or ‘showers’. There‘s bound to be something really simple and obvious that I‘ve missed and if anyone can share that information to stop me feeling like I’m going mad it will be greatly appreciated!


P.S. Wikipedia says:

“Each area's forecast is then read out. Several areas may be combined into a single forecast where the conditions are expected to be similar. Wind direction is given first, then strength (on the Beaufort scale), sea state, followed by precipitation, if any, and (usually) lastly visibility.”

Google Earth Community says:

”...although the Met Office have been issuing Sea State reports (rough, calm, moderate, etc) for each Sea Area since 2006 - information which might conceivably be handy for a mariner to know - there is no room in the tight structure to fit it in.”
 
Most of us with boats can work out fairly accurately what the sea state is likely to be in a particular place at a particular time. It depends on so many factors that I could never understand the logic of having it in a weather forecast. Things like fetch, direction of tidal stream, make such a colossal difference to sea state, but a weather forecast cannot take them into account.

Later:- having looked at both the Shipping Forecast and the Inshore Forecast (online), they are both giving their idea of Sea State.
 
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Why don't you put in a Freedom of Information request as they are a public body.

I spoke to one of the marine forecasters at the Weather and Sailing Conference at Greenwich in 2018 and he was a mine of information.
 
Most of us with boats can work out fairly accurately what the sea state is likely to be in a particular place at a particular time. It depends on so many factors that I could never understand the logic of having it in a weather forecast. Things like fetch, direction of tidal stream, make such a colossal difference to sea state, but a weather forecast cannot take them into account.
Not sure I'd like to guess sea state if planning an entrance along Portugal's Costa de Prata. Been 'storm bound' there in Force 0 with a 3.5m breaking swell formed a week or more before in mid Atlantic. Likewise the French coast S of the Gironde.
 
Why don't you put in a Freedom of Information request as they are a public body.

I spoke to one of the marine forecasters at the Weather and Sailing Conference at Greenwich in 2018 and he was a mine of information.


Most of us with boats can work out fairly accurately what the sea state is likely to be in a particular place at a particular time. It depends on so many factors that I could never understand the logic of having it in a weather forecast. Things like fetch, direction of tidal stream, make such a colossal difference to sea state, but a weather forecast cannot take them into account.

Later:- having looked at both the Shipping Forecast and the Inshore Forecast (online), they are both giving their idea of Sea State.

To be honest I’m less concerned with whether it is in the forecast or not and more so with whether it has ever been part of the broadcast forecast. I swear I have a distant memory of the continuity presenter on Radio 4 giving us the sea state as part of the area forecast, but now I’ve noticed it’s not there I can’t find any evidence of it ever having been there, except a slightly dubious Wikipedia entry.
 
Curent shiping forecast for Tyne on the met office website - it includes sea state

Wind West or southwest 3 to 5, becoming variable 2 to 4 at times. Sea state Slight or moderate. Weather Fair. Visibility Good.

Current shipping forecast on BBC sounds app - no sea state - as you say

It seems the BBC has stopped reading it out. Given that hardly any sailors actually get their weather info from the broadcast this is probably to save time and possibly they are only broadcasting it at all so as not to antagonise the traditionalists who hate change and want to preserve it.

Could be a conspiracy !!

Does anyone know when it stopped ?
 
was surprised to hear no mention of the sea state. I’m used to getting sea state information from the met office website included in both the shipping forecast and the inshore waters forecast and had assumed it was information read out as part of the radio broadcast. I’m also sure I’ve heard sea state being read out in the past (possibly years ago).
I'm not sure that sea state has ever been part of the broadcast forecast.
looking at a 1983 Reeds, it's not in the printed forecast proforma.and looking online at a 2017 Reeds it's not mentioned there either (p85 - 95)
 
I don't remember sea state being included in UK broadcast Shipping Forecasts, as far as I know it's been the same going back to when it was to be found on the Light Programme.

I do wish they hadn't messed about with the times though.
 
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