Crabman
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Can someone please explain what an accredited surveyor is ? and ydsa can not only be the only organisation with accreditation. I have always used IIMS and RINA surveyors . They have more experience not just yachts.
Shame on Ancasta!
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Sandyman
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Maybe they are using those photos to show how well found she is. I mean, you wouldn't
want to go to sea without curtains & an Eber, would you ?
want to go to sea without curtains & an Eber, would you ?
Scaramoosh
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Not read the Ad then!
Dear PIP
If you read the advert it states that the boat in question is lying on the East Coast (although this could cover Essex to Aberdeen). It is being marketed through Ancasta, Port Solent which happens to be Hampshire.
It is therefore very likely that Ancasta have been supplied with the pictures by the owner.
Perhaps the more interesting observation should be why does the owner want to sell his boat through a company based possibly 100s of miles away?
I can only conclude that he or she believes that even with this problem Ancasta are more likely to obtain a sale at an acceptable price and within an sensible timescale than any local broker could do.
From my personal experience (their Port Solent office sold a Phantom 38 for me and their Hamble office recently sold my Sealine SC38) they were very professional and experienced and I wouldn't hesitate to use them again.
With respect to providing a list of surveyors, Ancasta are the sellers agent, if they recommended a surveyor to a buyer they would being totally unprofessional. a list of QUALIFIED surveyors is as far as they could go. You don't have to use anyone on the list after all.
Dear PIP
If you read the advert it states that the boat in question is lying on the East Coast (although this could cover Essex to Aberdeen). It is being marketed through Ancasta, Port Solent which happens to be Hampshire.
It is therefore very likely that Ancasta have been supplied with the pictures by the owner.
Perhaps the more interesting observation should be why does the owner want to sell his boat through a company based possibly 100s of miles away?
I can only conclude that he or she believes that even with this problem Ancasta are more likely to obtain a sale at an acceptable price and within an sensible timescale than any local broker could do.
From my personal experience (their Port Solent office sold a Phantom 38 for me and their Hamble office recently sold my Sealine SC38) they were very professional and experienced and I wouldn't hesitate to use them again.
With respect to providing a list of surveyors, Ancasta are the sellers agent, if they recommended a surveyor to a buyer they would being totally unprofessional. a list of QUALIFIED surveyors is as far as they could go. You don't have to use anyone on the list after all.
Tranona
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That is a sweeping statement. The YDSA is the major accrediting body in the UK. so most surveyors will have that accreditation - as well as any other qualifications that they may.
Suggest you ask the YDSA what their requirements are and then make your own judgement. However, like many "professions" there is no legal requirement so the standards are determined by the body.
The three bodies you mention are all self regulating in the same way - they set out their standards for membership, recruit members on that basis and have in place mechanisms for ensuring maintenance of those standards.
You are free to choose member of any of them if you think they are appropriate for the job you want them to do.
volvopaul
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I cant agree with you there at all.
I did consider placing my boat with them at there Swanwick office, now I admit the boats not in the marina there but as the crow flies maybe 400 yards away, when I filled all the forms in , took into the office with a key and the gate code I asked them to go and photograph it, to my amazement they said they would not do that, and would I take the photos and email them to there office, so I thought what do they really do for there 10%, duly I put the forms in the bin!!
Crabman
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The YDSA IS NOT the major accrediting body in the UK . That is completly WRONG. What about the MCA surveyors and all the others . As to Ancasta I think we may be seing the end of brokers selling new yachts in the UK. Ref Sealine ,Beneteau next?
Fire99
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Interesting, mate.. And gotta say if I got the same response, i'd be posting my forms in the bin too.
My Local-ish broker (not same company) was fortunately a lot more helpful and charged less than 10% too.
longjohnsilver
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Hmm, wasn't Aware that the MCA had their own large team of in house qualified surveyors. Seems they mostly use YDSA qualified people to carry out their surveys.
Can't find any reference on the MCA website re them accrediting marine surveyors.
Crabman
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MCA do surveys as do IIMS and RINA . They also do commercial .YDSA only do yachts. Its the MCA who dish out accreditaion to ydsa and IIMS .So to say ydsa are the only accredited in the UK is wrong.
taz
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I don't come to that conclusion after reading this.
http://www.a1marinesurveyors.com/marine_surveyors
http://www.a1marinesurveyors.com/marine_surveyors
longjohnsilver
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Hmm, again I'd have to question where you get your facts from. I would imagine both the YDSA & IIMS might ask you the same question. Not that I have any connection with either organisation, just an interested bystander.
Tranona
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Think the phrase is "knickers in a twist". While the MCA recognise surveyors for coding and tonnage measurement, they do not "accredit" anybody, let alone other organisations.
Surveyors are independent people. They do not require any accreditation to practise their "profession" as it is not regulated. Many belong to bodies such as YDSA to show that they have acquired some status and have met the minimum requirements of that body. For the YDSA you can find out what it is they have to meet as they publish their criteria and how it is assessed. They do not "do" anything, so do not understand your comment that they "only do yachts", although seems pretty obvious that with the name they adopt that they should represent surveyors who survey yachts!
When you engage a surveyor your contract is with that individual, not any organisation he belongs to. You assess his competence to do your job based on the information that is available to you, which of course includes his membership of any organisation that is relevant.
Nobody has ever said that YDSA is the only accrediting body, just that it is arguably the biggest. Brokers are quite right to refer clients to a freely available list of surveyors. It is for the client to decide who he wants to employ.
You seem to have some hidden agenda here that is leading you to ignore facts and construct your own interpretation - not helpful.
BTW I have no connection with YDSA or any other accrediting body in this field.
Tranona
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You seem very bitter about something and that seems to get in the way of understanding the role of organisations such as YDSA (which I am pretty sure is the largest in number of members devoted to surveying small boats).
If you do not get good service from another party, then take it up with that party. If you don't get the service you want don't use them.
As to "accreditation" it means exactly what it says. The individual meets the criteria set by the organisation for membership and is therefore accredited to say so. Whether that has any value to you depends on how you view the criteria in relation to your needs. In the case of surveyors, there is no compulsion to use members of the YDSA, or any other organisation. Neither is there any compulsion for surveyors to belong, but many find it of value to their businesses.
Suggest you read all the information the YDSA publishes so that you understand its role.