Shady II, Help!

poter

poter

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After the demise of Shady, & it all looks Ok for the insurance, what do I do?

Scenario 1: Buy Shady II in Greece & bog off every couple of weekends & have a great sailing hols for two times two weeks around the Greek Islands. also buy a second hand 16 hobie or similar to sail & play here.
or:
Scenario 2: Buy Shady II in UK & pay thru nose for mooring in a Marina (I don’t think I will be getting another swinging mooring!) put up with all the crap weather & maybe get a couple of reasonable days sailing.

Difficult choice huh! Or do I have other scenarios that I may not have considered?
What would you do having my experience & choices?

poter


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How much are you missing a boat to pop down to at weekends for an escape.

If she is in Greece you are still not going to have that privilege. This years weather was a waste of space, but how much did you enjoy having your boat close by in 2002.

Nothing wrong with swinging moorings, just get one in a more sheltered location for piece of mind.

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If I lived where you do Poter I think I might consider keeping a boat in France - loads of recent articles to research and people on this forum who already do that to offer advice.

It's a compromise - slightly better weather maybe, cheaper marina fees and still able to get there for a long weekend??

- Nick

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Buy in Eastern USA. Cost of boat cheaper. Can also buy secondhand in European Carribean and be CE exempt and sail to states. If buying new from american yard can have it delivered CE marked in case you should ever want to return to EU zone. If keeping in fully serviced marina as tenant (usually includes swimming pool, electricity, water, telephone line with free local calls, barbecue pits, etc) costs approx $1200 per year for 40 footer. Money saved pays for lot of flights (which with a little advanced on line booking can be remarkably cheap. It cost me more to fly easy jet from Corunna to Luton this May) and meals out!! If careful research on location, total home to boat time can be not a lot different as some places in Greece, or the South West of England on a Bank Holiday weekend!! Yard and maitainance costs generally cheaper than UK as are insurance and surveys. Most equipment costs are cheaper or the same, except life jackets which seem ridiculously expensive!!! Less of language problem than in Greece and local officialdom more cooperative and less corrupt. We bought in USA intending to bring boat back to uk straight away, but have been so impressed by ease of access, facilities and attitudes and savings (even under the old dollar exchange rate) that we have decided to stay at least until 2007. The money saved can fund something to play with in the UK, eg Hobie Cat, Hurley 22, etc,.

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>How much are you missing a boat to pop down to at weekends for an escape.<
Lots

But thats THE problem init... so what do we have them for? sheds at the bottom of the garden, or to go off sailing?

If as I suspect a lot are sheds then ok one could have it in the garden, but I do like to sail .. its the most enjoyable, theraputic, pastime that I know, but not in UK waters.

Here comes the critics... fairweather sailor etc!

poter


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Yup agree with you Nick,

However Greece is a good place to buy, as the initial costs are cheaper. Also the cost of mooring, upkeep etc. It may mean sacrificing a few more hours on a plane but the experience starts from the airport as far as I'm concerned, & I can always take a leisurely sail back to France/Spain
The down side: no shed to play in but a least I can sail at my local yacht club, maybe even go back to racing? (do they have elderly racing handicap?) As an aside my hero was a guy from the states who was still barefoot water skiing in his late 70's.

I suppose it’s a nice position to be in but a very difficult choice.


poter

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I've been giving this some serious thought - and started a thread on it a couple of months back.

IMHO there is no where outside UK that is appropriate if you intend to try to visit the boat regularly on weekends. A number of locations (France, Greece, Baltic?) are appropriate for the occasional weekend visit but I think if you are thinking of going every other weekend (without being able to make it a long weekend) then the cost and the strain of travelling would soon add up.

OTOH, if your usage is mainly for longer periods than the w/e then I think places like Greece, South of France, Baltic, Brittanny all look attractive propositions

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Where do you keep your boat Lizzie_B?

We're going to be doing what you've done - already had two trips but the right boat hasn't come up yet.

We are thinking of southern Viginia, around Norfolk - seems well positioned for Florida to the south and the rest of the Chesapeake to the north.

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I'd certainly like to know where you get a full service 40 foot marina slip on the US east coast for $1200!. I've kept boats on that coast since 1985 and I've never found anywhere that cheap. In Florida now you can't get anything for under $5,000. The Carolina's or Georgia might be cheaper, I suppose.

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She is currently wintering in Appalachicola in North Florida. Next season we hope to move her up to Coan River Marina at the mouth of the Potomac River, where another British friend has his boat at the moment. I was in St Petersburg this summer and was surprised at the fair smattering of Brits keeping their boats there.
What sort of boat are you looking for? When I was looking we found it extremely useful to go through the various owners assosciations as they are are a goldmine of information, often finding people who knew the brokerage or yard and could give independent reports.

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Chesapeake Bay is a wonderful sailing area. If you want to be in the south of the Bay, York River Yacht Haven is a great spot, excellent facilities and quite secure. Further north you are closer to the international airport at BWI, and the fun destinations of Annapolis and Baltimore, and there is a huge variety of rivers and creeks to explore.

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Lizzie_B,

I'm interested in your concepts Could please PM with any contacts, manufacturers, locations and marinas? I am lookint o retire in the next 4 years and I would like to spend 1/2 the year somewhere like America and spend the other half on holidays abroad throughout the world or back in Britain.

Regards.

Peter.

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Coan River Marina on mouth of Potomac. Also places on Florida and Alabama Gulf Coast. US marina's are very expensive for 'transient 'rates. as bad if not worse than Solent, but I've found Long term rates very good. However, even at $3000 it is still much cheaper than the vast majority of Solent Marinas

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and Hunter Legend, Pacific Seacraft,C&C(Canadian) and others would no doubt spring to mind with a little thought. If buying secondhand helps if manufacturer is still in business as they will usually supply stability data for RCD. Can Self certificate the rest up to CAT B. Any MMAA approved yard can get the necessary specs to do any modification work required for RCD, but only an issue if returning boat to EU at some time.

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