Selfish yacht, poor show Yarmouth

[Elessar]

Absolutely correct, the only ones who need to answer questions here is the H.M. The 'offending' boat owner was allowed to run the genny, it appears perfectly clear he should not have been. But put the blame where it lies on the person permitting it.

Quite right. The yacht crew were just selfish. The HM failed to do his job, letting down everyone in the harbour.

The HM had a simple choice, let down one, or let down many. He made the wrong call.

Chris225, who seemed to be or be representing the HM, even came on here and tried to defend it. Unfortunately what he said in defence wasn't true. That really doesn't help. He's gone quiet now I see.

It is a big shame, I think the staff at Yarmouth are generally excellent, and have gained a good reputation over a long time. On this one they negated years of good work.

 

[Greenheart]

Let's hope harbourmasters everywhere take note of what egregious folly it is, to favour a top-dollar customer whose systems disturb the lesser yet vastly more numerous visitors.

I wonder if the chap on the berthing-staff, who agreed to let SeaQuell's crew stay in spite of their needing to break the rules, took a bribe? Is he likely to be sitting at home, reading this, sweating with regret at his error? Okay, probably not...

...but let's hope he loses some sleep over it...

 

[CelebrityScandel]

Well I am surprised that a boat capable of using either a 64A and a 32A supply would not have a 32A cable since their are likely to be far more 32A circuits around than 64A. I am also surprised that the boats must keep their generator running all the time even whilst sailing, I would have thought the drone of it would have taken away a lot of the pleasure for the owner?

The cable is dependant on both the shore end (which is not the same everywhere) and the ship end (which stays the same), it is not a case of just carrying a 32A cable as you suggest if one wants flexibility, but one needs to carry many if travelling internationally as the vast majority of these boats do. I have already mentioned maintaining compliance with the classification society design appraisal.

Some have suggested a cable could be made up in a few minutes. The usual delay is obtaining the correct boat end connector (and if appraisal is required then that apparaisal will be weeks).

In the end, the cost of running a generator is low compared to the cost of the berth.

Regarding generators running and noise while sailing, as another has said there are hydraulic drives (furlers, for example) and drives for captive winches, etc. Never noticed any pleasure being taken away myself, but even our smaller boats around 40 foot were noisy in any breeze due to sheet noise, etc. Of course, if one is used to a very small boat with low sheet loads such as a dinghy or very small keelboat they will be quiet and if the cruising limits imposed by a boat of that size and the total solitude from boat noise is wanted then that is just fine.

I was interested by the list of "essentials" I can see that the fridges need to run, but unless the boat has a leak do they really need to run the bilge pumps, or is it normal for boats like that to leak? I can't see that intercoms are essential nor do I understand why you need power to cook surely the cookers run on gas? It sounds to me as though you have confused needs and wants. They ant hot running water and intercoms and they want to watch TV, etc. Is is physically possible to just run lighting and refrigeration on available batteries if all other luxuries were turned off?

Not sure if you are just pulling my leg or that you really do not understand even small vessels. Obviously bilge pumps do not have to run all the time but when needed they do have to run immediately without human intervention. As I think I mentioned we have DC pumps on emergency services batteries but these batteries have to be on charge. But as follows, if there is no shorepower the generators will be running.

You (and some others) have jumped to the conclusion that the loads I mentioned are "essential" - they were given as examples of the loads that are aboard (for example, many seemed to not even realise that cooking is likely by electricity) not as ones that had to be all run all at the same time, I thought that would have been obvious to any sailboat owner. If you read through my post again you will see that without AC power there will not even be any lighting (apart from emergency lighting), it is not just a case of reducing load.

I often wonder how all these noise complainers get on when cruising. I assume they are just marina hoppers, never cruise far enough to have to sleep while under way (which is noisy on a cruising boat) or anchored in other than calm conditions. It is a sometimes discussed subject elsewhere in the world that the British whining fraternaty is smaller and smaller the further they get from the UK. They seem to either come to understand or those that have the desire to roam afar are not seeking a parochial sheltered life, and of course the noddy boat types will never get far.

As I have said, I am not making excuses for the vessel in question as I, like everyone else here, do not know the specific circumstances. I have tried to give people a better idea of how such vessels operate, using our own as an example. The green eyed and envious, or just plain intolerant of those that may have more or something different than themselves, just continue to rant on.

So happy to have tried to have answered your questions Seven Spades but I will leave it all to the whiners now, from which their very noisy squeaking and squealing no one will learn anything at all.

 

[ctva]

...So happy to have tried to have answered your questions Seven Spades but I will leave it all to the whiners now, from which their very noisy squeaking and squealing no one will learn anything at all.

I guess that is the playground equivelant of sticking your fingers on your ears and saying "I'm right you're wrong and I'm not listening any more, la...la...la...

 

[grazbo]

......
As I have said, I am not making excuses for the vessel in question as I, like everyone else here, do not know the specific circumstances. I have tried to give people a better idea of how such vessels operate, using our own as an example. The green eyed and envious, or just plain intolerant of those that may have more or something different than themselves, just continue to rant on.
......

Weird choice of words "green eyed" "envious" "those that may have something more" ............

...... so just to be sure, you weren't actually there and you have a big one too ?

Is that about it ?

 

[Tanqueray]

The cable is dependant on both the shore end (which is not the same everywhere) and the ship end (which stays the same), it is not a case of just carrying a 32A cable as you suggest if one wants flexibility, but one needs to carry many if travelling internationally as the vast majority of these boats do. I have already mentioned maintaining compliance with the classification society design appraisal.

Some have suggested a cable could be made up in a few minutes. The usual delay is obtaining the correct boat end connector (and if appraisal is required then that apparaisal will be weeks).

In the end, the cost of running a generator is low compared to the cost of the berth.

Regarding generators running and noise while sailing, as another has said there are hydraulic drives (furlers, for example) and drives for captive winches, etc. Never noticed any pleasure being taken away myself, but even our smaller boats around 40 foot were noisy in any breeze due to sheet noise, etc. Of course, if one is used to a very small boat with low sheet loads such as a dinghy or very small keelboat they will be quiet and if the cruising limits imposed by a boat of that size and the total solitude from boat noise is wanted then that is just fine.



Not sure if you are just pulling my leg or that you really do not understand even small vessels. Obviously bilge pumps do not have to run all the time but when needed they do have to run immediately without human intervention. As I think I mentioned we have DC pumps on emergency services batteries but these batteries have to be on charge. But as follows, if there is no shorepower the generators will be running.

You (and some others) have jumped to the conclusion that the loads I mentioned are "essential" - they were given as examples of the loads that are aboard (for example, many seemed to not even realise that cooking is likely by electricity) not as ones that had to be all run all at the same time, I thought that would have been obvious to any sailboat owner. If you read through my post again you will see that without AC power there will not even be any lighting (apart from emergency lighting), it is not just a case of reducing load.

I often wonder how all these noise complainers get on when cruising. I assume they are just marina hoppers, never cruise far enough to have to sleep while under way (which is noisy on a cruising boat) or anchored in other than calm conditions. It is a sometimes discussed subject elsewhere in the world that the British whining fraternaty is smaller and smaller the further they get from the UK. They seem to either come to understand or those that have the desire to roam afar are not seeking a parochial sheltered life, and of course the noddy boat types will never get far.

As I have said, I am not making excuses for the vessel in question as I, like everyone else here, do not know the specific circumstances. I have tried to give people a better idea of how such vessels operate, using our own as an example. The green eyed and envious, or just plain intolerant of those that may have more or something different than themselves, just continue to rant on.

So happy to have tried to have answered your questions Seven Spades but I will leave it all to the whiners now, from which their very noisy squeaking and squealing no one will learn anything at all.

I have electro-hydraulic furling, a mainly electric galley, and can run off battery via inverter for 5 days using 50% battery capacity.

Assuming that you / they did not really need air-conditioning in Yarmouth - what specific loads did they need (in Yarmouth) last week between say 2300 and 0700?

You do not need massive ac/dc battery chargers if you do not have massive DC loads (which you say they do not have). The water capacity of that vessel is 5,500 litres so presumably they can last 8 hours overnight without running a watermaker?

Was a "close to 30amp galley" actually used for all 8 hours between 2300 and 0700 in Yarmouth with the George Hotel next door????

Bilge pumps - not needed alongside in Yarmouth.
Furlers - not needed alongside in Yarmouth.
Captive winches - not needed once secured alongside in Yarmouth.
Battery chargers - not needed if you cannot distribute large DC power (as you say you cannot).
Lighting - You really do not have sufficient DC lighting for 8 hours alongside!!!!!!

Earlier quote; On top of the above many essential services on the boat are 230v, or off batteries to 24/12v DC, including bilge pumps, battery charging, comm's, alarms, intercom, etc and which must not be disabled for safety reasons, some even when there is no one on board.

Question: What do your 'safety systems' do if you lose 230v generator mid-atlantic?

( Ps. I'm used to 'big boat' stuff - my last commercial had 3.2 MEGAWATT of generator power - so none of the 'you don't understand big boats' waffle eh ).

Steve

 

[Seven Spades]

You (and some others) have jumped to the conclusion that the loads I mentioned are "essential" - they were given as examples of the loads that are aboard (for example, many seemed to not even realise that cooking is likely by electricity) not as ones that had to be all run all at the same time, I thought that would have been obvious to any sailboat owner. If you read through my post again you will see that without AC power there will not even be any lighting (apart from emergency lighting), it is not just a case of reducing load.

I often wonder how all these noise complainers get on when cruising. I assume they are just marina hoppers, never cruise far enough to have to sleep while under way (which is noisy on a cruising boat) or anchored in other than calm conditions. It is a sometimes discussed subject elsewhere in the world that the British whining fraternaty is smaller and smaller the further they get from the UK. They seem to either come to understand or those that have the desire to roam afar are not seeking a parochial sheltered life, and of course the noddy boat types will never get far.

So happy to have tried to have answered your questions Seven Spades but I will leave it all to the whiners now, from which their very noisy squeaking and squealing no one will learn anything at all.

I think you are being a bit harsh here. I have never been on a boat that large and don't understand the extent of the differences. However from your first post it wasn't clear to me if the power requirement were essential or needed to keep the owner with all systems running. My boat is 40' and does not have an electric bilge pump and does not ship water either. On long passages we sometimes have to run the engine to charge the batteries in order to keep the auto pilot going, when we do the noise is awful far worse than any wind noise or the sound of rushing or trickling water.

I am not in anyway jealous of the owner, I am a capitalist, so good luck to him or to you. I am however surprised that everything could not be switched off for the night and that the fridges ket going on batteries that is all.

 

[Greenheart]

I have electro-hydraulic furling, a mainly electric galley, and can run off battery via inverter for 5 days using 50% battery capacity.

Assuming that you / they did not really need air-conditioning in Yarmouth - what specific loads did they need in Yarmouth last week between say 2300 and 0700?

You do not need massive ac/dc battery chargers if you do not have massive DC loads (which you say they do not have). The water capacity of that vessel is 5,500 litres so presumably they can last 8 hours overnight with running a watermaker?

Was a 'close to 30amp galley" actually used for all 8 hours between 2300 and 0700 in Yarmouth with the George Hotel next door????

( Ps. I'm used to 'big boat' stuff - my last commercial had 3.2 MEGAWATT of generator power - so none of the 'you don't understand big boats' waffle eh ).

Steve

Well said, Steve.

 

[grazbo]

Hmmm - I have a dilemma.

If I had chartered her for $40-45K a week, I would want all the gadgets to work on demand - jacuzzi included.

http://www.charterworld.com/index.html?sub=yacht-charter&charter=sailing-yacht-sea-quell-1081

It's like someone's "crib"

 

[Elessar]

but I will leave it all to the whiners now, from which their very noisy squeaking and squealing no one will learn anything at all.

You really don't understand the point. I understand the workings of a complex boat. It's irrelevant. The boat was in an inappropriate place, or it was inappropriately running it's systems.

I hope that from it, Yarmouth will learn that they made a mistake. You seem to be in a minority disagreeing with that.

 

[CelebrityScandel]

...Question: What do your 'safety systems' do if you lose 230v generator mid-atlantic?...

As I have pointed out, we have 2 generators, either of which will carry the vessel's load without airconditioning, so there is redundancy. We can also generate off the main engine.

As you may be aware, given your claims of big vessel experience, it is normal when in class to be required to have an installed small manual cranked generator for the case of getting a black ship up and running. In our case we have a negotiated agreement with our classification society that given the diversity of power sources we have, that small generator is not required.

With your claimed experience you will also know, as I have made clear already, that essential services for the navigation and safety of the vessel can be serviced from batteries as is required by class. However, you will also know that domestic services do not comprise any of those and that these batteries are to be on continual charge.

Regarding your other questions and claims, please reread my posts as I make it very clear that there is no intention of running all equipment at once nor that some of it cannot be run without generators. In any event I would have thought that was obvious, but apparantly not.

Anyway, it seems these types of boats are even outside your ken else you would not have made the claims or raised the question that you did.

As people are coming to conclusions based on irrational thought and from a predetermined whinging position it is unlikely that any rational explanation will be taken on board by them. So as I said in my last post I will leave all the whingers to their angst and sad lives. No further questions will be answered.

 

[Greenheart]

No further questions will be answered.

None have been, yet!

Did you mean "no more feeble excuses will be provided"? (We can hope he means it...)

 

[CelebrityScandel]

...I hope that from it, Yarmouth will learn that they made a mistake. You seem to be in a minority disagreeing with that.

I have realised that you were the original poster. In which case I will give you the courtesy of a response even though you have not, it seems, given me the courtesy of reading my posts properly.

If you do read them you will see that I have been at pains at all times to point out that I am not making any excuses for the vessel you mentioned as I do not know the circumstances for myself. Either your circumstances, and, like you, nor theirs.

But it was apparant from the posts that followed, putting aside the many that were just plain foolish (pig ignorant comes to mind ) or ill-informed, many did not understand the systems on board such vessels. If you have the familiarity with the vessel type that you now claim you do, you will have seen that for yourself.

But if you do not see the intent of mine to inform about large yacht systems based on our own, then I must come to the conclusion that your original post should be likely seen in the light of your nature being one prone to anger and complaint rather than rationality .

Or, alternatively, that you set out at the start to pull the strings of the perpetual moaners and whiners to be found on forums. If that is so you have my congratulations as you certainly drew a great many to the surface . If that is so you may wish to pass on your congratulations to me, in turn, as my taking your post at face value certainly helped me to unwittingly continue to wind them all up for you. One wonders how with the little sense they exhibit, it is that they can even come to afford a boat, let alone stay alive while operating it.

Anyway, thanks for an interesting thread. You will see from my bio that we have business interests in the internet: some of our web sites are designed - similarly to the news media, for example - look to human behaviours to draw an audience by tugging at peoples' prejudices, stupidities, jealousies, irrational beliefs, etc. Whatever your intent, many of the responses have given us some data to add to our wider research as to how to go about that. It has also encouraged us to look at doing a set piece on one of our web sites designed to annoy, and thus get the attention of those who have prejudices of whatever sort against celebrities and others with large yachts.

No, you cannot have a share of the advertising revenue .

 

[Elessar]

I have realised that you were the original poster. In which case I will give you the courtesy of a response even though you have not, it seems, given me the courtesy of reading my posts properly.

If you do read them you will see that I have been at pains at all times to point out that I am not making any excuses for the vessel you mentioned as I do not know the circumstances for myself. Either your circumstances, and, like you, nor theirs.

But it was apparant from the posts that followed, putting aside the many that were just plain foolish (pig ignorant comes to mind ) or ill-informed, many did not understand the systems on board such vessels. If you have the familiarity with the vessel type that you now claim you do, you will have seen that for yourself.

But if you do not see the intent of mine to inform about large yacht systems based on our own, then I must come to the conclusion that your original post should be likely seen in the light of your nature being one prone to anger and complaint rather than rationality .

Or, alternatively, that you set out at the start to pull the strings of the perpetual moaners and whiners to be found on forums. If that is so you have my congratulations as you certainly drew a great many to the surface . If that is so you may wish to pass on your congratulations to me, in turn, as my taking your post at face value certainly helped me to unwittingly continue to wind them all up for you. One wonders how with the little sense they exhibit, it is that they can even come to afford a boat, let alone stay alive while operating it.

Anyway, thanks for an interesting thread. You will see from my bio that we have business interests in the internet: some of our web sites are designed - similarly to the news media, for example - look to human behaviours to draw an audience by tugging at peoples' prejudices, stupidities, jealousies, irrational beliefs, etc. Whatever your intent, many of the responses have given us some data to add to our wider research as to how to go about that. It has also encouraged us to look at doing a set piece on one of our web sites designed to annoy, and thus get the attention of those who have prejudices of whatever sort against celebrities and others with large yachts.

No, you cannot have a share of the advertising revenue .

Well full marks to you, you are the first person I think that has admitted to being a troll, and a professional one at that.

Wish you hadn't practised on the thread I started, thus diluting the point of it - which I'm still not fully convinced you actually understood.

Inform people about large yacht systems by all means, but that was thread drift. The thread was about manners and the poor response of a popular harbour.

By using large yacht systems, interesting or not, as an excuse for bad manners and poor management was likely to cause a reaction. Do it whilst being provocative and rude and it's inevitable. Even an idiot could predict that.

 

[Chrusty 1]

Having read all of the a-foregoing, I can only conclude that the bigger your wallet, and the bigger your boat, the more chance of you being a selfish ignorant tw@!

 

[A1Sailor]

Big round of applause for CelebrityScandel for coming on here and sharing his/her claimed big boat expertise and claimed superior knowledge. I doff my cap to him/her.

 

[ctva]

...So happy to have tried to have answered your questions Seven Spades but I will leave it all to the whiners now, from which their very noisy squeaking and squealing no one will learn anything at all.

Good, he's going to leave us whingers alone.

...So as I said in my last post I will leave all the whingers to their angst and sad lives. No further questions will be answered.

Still here??

I have realised that you were the original poster. In which case I will give you the courtesy of a response even though you have not, it seems, given me the courtesy of reading my posts properly...

...No, you cannot have a share of the advertising revenue .

Typical troll, just can't leave. Maybe one day he'll realise that the world is laughing AT him rather than with him.

Off to work now, which I have to do to keep my far too small and unworthy boat afloat.

 

[Sans Bateau]

Friends of ours used to own a Princess 460, all electric, no gas. It had an electric oven and ceramic hob. We spent a night with them once at anchor and whilst our friends wife cooked supper I asked what capacity batteries the boat had to power all this electric kit. I was told there was a generator running, once told I just about hear it purring away.

So if someone has a noisy genny, I'd say they arnt as well off as some people may think they are, because obviously they have had to go for some noisy budget installation.

 

[Tricia]

Congratulations CelebrityScandel, always a pleasure being talked to by a condescending ****** (edited by my wife).

I'm always surprised by the level to which people will sink to make a dollar.

The reason people may not like 'celebrity superyachts' is not because they are jealous, it's because they meet wankers like you running them.

Elessar - sorry to have been part of hijacking your thread.

Rob

 

[Chrusty 1]

Curiouser and curiouser..

I have been reading celebrityscandals posts and it seems to me that there is a remarkable likeness to one mountain of this parish???

It could all be in my imagination of course, but then???..............