Selfish yacht, poor show Yarmouth

However, the most important piece of information we need (hey Chris 225) is when are they leaving so Yarmouth can return to a normal pretty little harbour with rules that are obeyed.

Peter
 
A mate of ours has a big Island Packet with a generator that cuts in automatically when the volts drop. As the exhaust exits underwater is is scarcely audible, which I can confirm as I have spent nights alongside. Which just shows that it can be done.
 
Highland Bear said:
Well, ye'll have cut off your nose to spite yer face then.
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Don't like marinas at the best of time, so no, I would not lose any sleep over not seeing the place.

What everyone that says that they should be allowed to run gennys as we all do, seem to be missing the fact that they were breaking the harbours own bylaws and as the OP posted at 3am, he is justified in his complaint and the fact that the HM was waiving rules for some with total disregared for all the other paying customers.

I too would like to know what systems are required for the boat not to sink??
 
When I was an 'matelot / engineer' on a 38metre barge trundling along the French Canals, the thing had two air cooled generators, at least one running all night to run the aircon, freezers and disco; I just managed to hear a local yell from the opposite bank on a 22' yacht " you're not going to run that all night, are you ?! "

I have a boat of the same size and felt the same, though shutting down the generator probably shortened that particular career. :rolleyes:
 
Mid evening Arisaig Bay May-a beautiful flat calm brilliant sunshine-totally spoiled by a geni balanced on the scoop of a visiting yacht.
Not only did it annoy me-most of the residents of Arisaig were probably non too happy.
Then there was Inverie Bay in a similar setting when "Lord of the Isles" a cruise ship often to be seen along the Great Glen,appears with generators;floodlights etc which remain on all night.
 
Why the hell would you take something that size into Yarmouth of all places? The Master should have simply said Yarmouth is not suitable for a boat of that size. It's not like there's a shortage of suitable places for it to go either on the IOW or the North side of the Solent. If he wasn't bright enough to check that a 64A supply is available that's his problem. Fair play to the Marina for posting a response on here but it was totally wrong of the HM to make it everyone else's problem. He either goes without electricity, manages on the available supply or leaves.
 
Pete7 said:
However, the most important piece of information we need (hey Chris 225) is when are they leaving so Yarmouth can return to a normal pretty little harbour with rules that are obeyed.

Peter
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The real question for Chris 225 is why did they choose to allow this yacht to bypass harbour rules?

I have seen the harbour enforce ostensibly stupid rules and when queried been told "we do not set the rules. The harbour commissioners set the rules. We have no power to amend the rules"

You may find it hard to believe, but to get a mooring in Yarmouth you are sent a
26 page document! you may well be surprised by this, but that is not the application form! The 26 page document is the rules for the application!

There is then an additional 12 page document that is the terms and conditions for the mooring licence.

I haven't even got to the form itself!

This is what appens when you have a harbour commission chaired by a lawyer with little sailing experience.

It would be interesting to hear from anyone that has a more onerous procedure to go through than this. With all these rules what has happened or transpired to make then allow a single boat to break them, particularly the one that says :- NOISE - No static running motors to be operated between 2200 and 0700

I have recently ditched Yarmouth Harbour and moved my boat to Mylor. Whilst the on the water staff are pretty similar in that they go out of their way to help anyone, there is a marked difference in attitude. In Yarmouth I had a sense of "we can't do that because we will get in trouble", or "we can't do that because of the rules". In Mylor I see none of that.

As an example I wanted to scrub the waterline of my boat. Easier to do from in the water of course. They are happy if you do it from your dinghy, but if you want to jump in the water you have to first fill out a risk assessment! And that's on a finger berth with no other moving boat nearby. I do not wan to dwell on the specifics of this point but I gives you an idea of the attitude.

One can only wonder at what has transpired to allow a single large vessel to annoy so many others.

Certainly not mooring fees. Several shorter, rafted vessels would pay more than one big one, and would certainly generate more revenue for the town which is supposed to be a major consideration for the harbour authority.
 
If Yarmouth wishes to accomodate vessels such as this, then no problem it's their choice.

But, if Yarmouth accepts vessels like this, but cannot actually cater for their needs (i.e 64amp supply) then Yarmouth is attempting to accomodate vessels beyond their capabilities (and in contravention of their own rules) to the detriment of other users who have paid their dues in full and abided by the rules.

A full refund is therefore due to the compliant boats.

Make your mind up time Yarmouth.
 
DJE said:
Ask him to move out on to a mooring buoy if he insists on running an engine overnight. Or possibly move him to a berth where the exhaust and sea water outlet are as far as possible from other boats.

Is it reasonable to expect a 64A supply? Could you provide one at Berthon?
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Yes. Seaquell was with us for 3 weeks and hooked up to a 63A 3 phase supply, (we also have a single phase option). These are only on the hammerheads, not every berth.

In addition to refrigeration, they also have water purification, lighting, communications, etc which take more power than the average boat with a kettle and mobile phone charger.

I know they went to Yarmouth for one night prior to heading off, but then didn't like the look of the depression on Wednesday.
 
moodyNick said:
...In addition to refrigeration, they also have water purification, lighting, communications, etc which take more power than the average boat with a kettle and mobile phone charger...
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Poor dears, so cossetted that they can't drink water from a tank like the rest of us, and needing enough lights to give Blackpool a run for their money and then 'communications'.... bovine excrement!!

I'm obviously missing a lot in life by not running all that on my 'average boat'. Thank goodness that we rarely see that type of boat, behavoir or attitude up here.
 
ctva said:
Poor dears, so cossetted that they can't drink water from a tank like the rest of us, and needing enough lights to give Blackpool a run for their money and then 'communications'.... bovine excrement!!

I'm obviously missing a lot in life by not running all that on my 'average boat'. Thank goodness that we rarely see that type of boat, behavoir or attitude up here.
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I am unclear as to what your "average boat" would run and be.

Perhaps you could post some photos of the interior and exterior of your boat so that we can all see what standard we should measure ourselves against insofar as what an "average boat" is and what it is that such a boat should run.

Photos of various areas and equipment allowing fair comparison with the interior of the Sea Quell at http://www.charterbrochure.com/seaquell/ would allow us to see if we lie between an "average boat" and a super yacht, and if we don't lie there then we can determine if we have a below "average boat".

Thanks.
 
Not just a problem for Yarmouth, more a problem for yachting as a whole. On the Broads many hire boats are now fitted with sufficient 'can't manage without' gizmos as to require a minimum of four hours cruising to top up the batteries. On inland waters four hours a day is going some so inevitably moorings are now less than attractive places with engines running into the early hours, and harbour masters not upholding the relevant regulations.

So who is to blame? Boatyards for providing or customers for demanding?

As for the staff at Yarmouth, perhaps money was to blame, appalling.
 
moodyNick said:
In addition to refrigeration, they also have water purification, lighting, communications, etc which take more power than the average boat with a kettle and mobile phone charger.
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Well if I was the owner I would be looking for a new skipper.

Particularly with all those visitors mid river moorings just up current, never mind the fact the river water is brackish due to the forest with all those horses and Cowes re-leaving themselves up stream :D

Or do Bertham not supply fresh water :eek:

I think the actually power requirement could be brought down but did the owner not want to slum it? Could they just not return to Lymington where you full? or was the weather to rough?

My question it to the mentality of the small "super yacht" where the owner cannot arrange silent power generation. No wonder the boat is not welcome in the really prestigious ports....
 
chris225 said:
Firstly we are very sorry if any visitors to Yarmouth were disturbed by the noise of the generator running on this superyacht overnight. We did however point out the problem before berthing other vessels near this yacht and/or offer an alternative berth if we received a complaint.
The yacht in question came in for one night and actually stayed for five nights due to the weather.
We are able to supply power at 16 amps and 32 amps, but this yacht required 64 amps which we could not supply. We did put an electrician on board to try and solve the problem, but without success. We also helped the yacht's crew to muffle to sea water discharge. So we tried our best but actually failed to solve the issue.
Once again, apologies.
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We were two boats away and not warned about it or offered an alternative.
There were so many people complaining that you could not possibly have given them all an alternative.

Poor show to inconvenience many for one yacht. He should have been told to turn it off or be turned away.

You let the majority of your clients down.
 
So to recap - a 108 ft long boat sailing boat that's been hooked up to a 63A 3 phase supply for knocking on a month, can't get out of the Solent without plugging in everywhere it goes and runs a generator most of the time to keep up with 'essential' power demands??

Sounds like a power boat with a mast fitted for aesthetics!
 
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