mireland
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Anyone tried megadoses of vitamin C - say between 1g and 5g?
Seasickness
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Kilter
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no...does that mean you can hurl it further?
Talbot
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Ginger is one of the better homeopathetic remedies. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
nigelhudson
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I suspect that you mean as a substitute for the usual ad hoc drug therapies for seasickness? I read somewhere that regular high doses of vitamin C are harmful.
BrendanS
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There is absolutely no point in taking more Vitamin C than your body requires, as any excess is excreted in your urine, so no benefit at all. Can't see why Vit C would aid in seasickness avoidance
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Best is ....
Real greasy stodgy bacon .... plenty of fat .....
Makes it come up quicker in a full psychodealic curve ........ gets it over with quick. Then it's a butty and glass of wine !!
Real greasy stodgy bacon .... plenty of fat .....
Makes it come up quicker in a full psychodealic curve ........ gets it over with quick. Then it's a butty and glass of wine !!
dulcibella
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Extraordinary non-evidence-based claims are made for Vitamin C. Linus Pauling, though a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, persistently claimed on the basis of no evidence that high-dose Vit C could prevent cancers. Eat your fresh fruit and veggies, and use Stugeron to prevent the hughies.
Sans Bateau
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I'll go along with that!
I dont do seasickness and as a result finish up being the one down below doing the chartwork and galley. There are odd occasions though when I feel 'I've had enough of it down here', times when you have to go down below fully kitted in oilies thermal hat and fleece, then just by getting over heated I can feel a bit 'off'. To kerb this critalised stem ginger does the trick every time, wouldnt go to sea without it.
I dont do seasickness and as a result finish up being the one down below doing the chartwork and galley. There are odd occasions though when I feel 'I've had enough of it down here', times when you have to go down below fully kitted in oilies thermal hat and fleece, then just by getting over heated I can feel a bit 'off'. To kerb this critalised stem ginger does the trick every time, wouldnt go to sea without it.
mireland
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There is absolutely no point in taking more Vitamin C than your body requires, as any excess is excreted in your urine, so no benefit at all. Can't see why Vit C would aid in seasickness avoidance
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I think the idea is that as seasickness is the result of histamine release and vitamin C suppresses the histamine release this should be a possible treatment. Sounds great but I wondered if anyone had actually tried it!
Excess C is indeed excreted. The point of the megadose is that since the optimimum dose is unknown the megadose ensures you have sufficient C to produce the desired effect. C is cheap so if a bit goes down the lav it matters not a jot!!
There is absolutely no point in taking more Vitamin C than your body requires, as any excess is excreted in your urine, so no benefit at all. Can't see why Vit C would aid in seasickness avoidance
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I think the idea is that as seasickness is the result of histamine release and vitamin C suppresses the histamine release this should be a possible treatment. Sounds great but I wondered if anyone had actually tried it!
Excess C is indeed excreted. The point of the megadose is that since the optimimum dose is unknown the megadose ensures you have sufficient C to produce the desired effect. C is cheap so if a bit goes down the lav it matters not a jot!!
mireland
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Extraordinary non-evidence-based claims are made for Vitamin C. Linus Pauling, though a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, persistently claimed on the basis of no evidence that high-dose Vit C could prevent cancers. Eat your fresh fruit and veggies, and use Stugeron to prevent the hughies.
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Thanks for that. Stugeron is impotent in the face of my hurling hence the search for otehr options! Agree about poor old Linus - still expect he meant well.
Extraordinary non-evidence-based claims are made for Vitamin C. Linus Pauling, though a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, persistently claimed on the basis of no evidence that high-dose Vit C could prevent cancers. Eat your fresh fruit and veggies, and use Stugeron to prevent the hughies.
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Thanks for that. Stugeron is impotent in the face of my hurling hence the search for otehr options! Agree about poor old Linus - still expect he meant well.
DeeGee
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Extraordinary non-evidence-based claims are made for Vitamin C. Linus Pauling, though a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, persistently claimed on the basis of no evidence that high-dose Vit C could prevent cancers. Eat your fresh fruit and veggies, and use Stugeron to prevent the hughies.
[/ QUOTE ]To be fair, that is not quite the whole story. He observed that chimps, our closest relative, in the wild eat so much fruit that they consistently excrete vitamin C, and he felt we should do the same. When you consider the RDA of VC is enough to avoid scurvy, he may well have been not such a fool after all. A little cutting...
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Fascinated with the multifaceted role of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in maintaining health, he began combing the scientific and medical literature for experimental and clinical evidence as to its importance. From published studies, from physiological and evolutionary reasoning, and from his and his wife's own experiences, he became convinced of the value of vitamin C in large doses as a prophylactic or palliative for the common cold. In 1970 he wrote the book Vitamin C and the Common Cold, which became a bestseller and brought wide public attention while creating a huge and continuously increasing demand for this micronutrient.
Later he became convinced of ascorbate's value in combating the flu, cancer, cardiovascular disease, infections, and degenerative problems in the aging process. He added other micronutrients, such as vitamin E and the B vitamins, to his list of helpful supplements and published two other popular books and a number of papers, both scientific and popular, on nutritional therapy. As happened during his earlier efforts in awakening the public to the dangers of nuclear weapons, Pauling's pronouncements on the subject of nutritional medicine were often assailed by physicians and physicians' organizations that ignored his long and insightful involvement with the biochemistry of human health and much of the published studies. They often dismissed his ideas as quackery.
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Extraordinary non-evidence-based claims are made for Vitamin C. Linus Pauling, though a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, persistently claimed on the basis of no evidence that high-dose Vit C could prevent cancers. Eat your fresh fruit and veggies, and use Stugeron to prevent the hughies.
[/ QUOTE ]To be fair, that is not quite the whole story. He observed that chimps, our closest relative, in the wild eat so much fruit that they consistently excrete vitamin C, and he felt we should do the same. When you consider the RDA of VC is enough to avoid scurvy, he may well have been not such a fool after all. A little cutting...
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Fascinated with the multifaceted role of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in maintaining health, he began combing the scientific and medical literature for experimental and clinical evidence as to its importance. From published studies, from physiological and evolutionary reasoning, and from his and his wife's own experiences, he became convinced of the value of vitamin C in large doses as a prophylactic or palliative for the common cold. In 1970 he wrote the book Vitamin C and the Common Cold, which became a bestseller and brought wide public attention while creating a huge and continuously increasing demand for this micronutrient.
Later he became convinced of ascorbate's value in combating the flu, cancer, cardiovascular disease, infections, and degenerative problems in the aging process. He added other micronutrients, such as vitamin E and the B vitamins, to his list of helpful supplements and published two other popular books and a number of papers, both scientific and popular, on nutritional therapy. As happened during his earlier efforts in awakening the public to the dangers of nuclear weapons, Pauling's pronouncements on the subject of nutritional medicine were often assailed by physicians and physicians' organizations that ignored his long and insightful involvement with the biochemistry of human health and much of the published studies. They often dismissed his ideas as quackery.
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KREW2
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does this sugest that seasickness is not caused by motion. I consider myself fortunate in that I don't throw up in rough weather, however I have had a bubbly bum a few times
Talbot
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suspect that the ginger may have some form of effect on the liquid in the balancing coils - perhaps making it slightly more viscous, and that would have an immediate effect on seasickness.
Personally dont rate stugeron, but reckon the best answer is to get hold of the pills they include in the liferaft packs - they are much stronger than those available from the chemist.
Personally dont rate stugeron, but reckon the best answer is to get hold of the pills they include in the liferaft packs - they are much stronger than those available from the chemist.
cliff
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Hyoscine Hydrobromide 0.3mg - If these don't cure your sea sickness then I suggest you see a hypno-therapist or give up sailing. I think you will need a prescription from your GP to buy them from Boots or the like.
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BrendanS
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All you need is 101% of what is required, not 5000%, the rest just goes to waste. Though a Nobel, his ideas on vast Vitamin C consumtption were laid to rest long ago. Which brings us again to a comment I made on one of the very many bird flu threads on the forums (why do people have to keep posting on the same subject over and over, rather than contributing to just one). It takes years to train someone in biological science, so they can understand the nuances of what is being talked about, and wether the theory has relevance or not.
This one can be discarded from the start, for the simple reason that any excess Vit C is excreted from the body within hours, so can do no help whatsoever
This one can be discarded from the start, for the simple reason that any excess Vit C is excreted from the body within hours, so can do no help whatsoever
alan_d
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Hyoscine hydrobromide tablets are available to buy without prescription in the UK and come in various proprietary guises - Kwells etc. A synonym for hyoscine is scopolamine, which is why the hyoscine patches (also available in the UK without prescription) are called Scopoderm.
Alan
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cliff
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At what dosage?
I know kwells etc contain Hyoscine hydrobromide but at what dose? - Didn't know ypou could buy the the generic tablets over the counter.
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I know kwells etc contain Hyoscine hydrobromide but at what dose? - Didn't know ypou could buy the the generic tablets over the counter.
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Re: Seasickness..... now Scurvy ....
The old idea that Vit. C cured scurvy is actually not strictly true ... yes it is a major contributor .... (now here I am working by memory and books / stuff read years ago ...). One of the major contributors to stopping Scurvy on HM ships was people like Nelson etc. who cleaned up the ships and insisted on better rations / exercise etc. I have also read that Vit. D had a part to play .....
Yes the Brits are nick-named Limeys for the Fruit bit of Scurvy prevention and the funny thing I'm told is that limes are not the best fruit to have for it !!
But of course this post is from memnory and may be subject to errors !!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
The old idea that Vit. C cured scurvy is actually not strictly true ... yes it is a major contributor .... (now here I am working by memory and books / stuff read years ago ...). One of the major contributors to stopping Scurvy on HM ships was people like Nelson etc. who cleaned up the ships and insisted on better rations / exercise etc. I have also read that Vit. D had a part to play .....
Yes the Brits are nick-named Limeys for the Fruit bit of Scurvy prevention and the funny thing I'm told is that limes are not the best fruit to have for it !!
But of course this post is from memnory and may be subject to errors !!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
DeeGee
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But how does one know what is 100% of what is required? By producing VC in our excreta or pee, we are just wasting VC, but I had a chat some years ago with a doctor, not particularly eminent, just our good ol' family doctor, and he was of the opinion that the minimum daily levels were hypothetical, and taking too much would not do one harm. I have not clicked in to what you are defining as the '100% of need'. By excreting, you are certain to have had enough, and it was long ago established that too much will not harm you.
I am not sure what your comment, about where one does or doesnt post, means. I re-started the question on flu as the previous thread had degenerated under a load of ignorant scoffing, in which the informed opinions (yours included) were swamped as so much chaff.
As to the question of training, etc:- I expect a true expert to be able to explain complicated things in a simple way, as some of the contributions to that thread certainly have.
Anyway, how does a professional nipple-tweaker have any better hold on the nub of the issue than us amateur nipple-tweakers? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I am not sure what your comment, about where one does or doesnt post, means. I re-started the question on flu as the previous thread had degenerated under a load of ignorant scoffing, in which the informed opinions (yours included) were swamped as so much chaff.
As to the question of training, etc:- I expect a true expert to be able to explain complicated things in a simple way, as some of the contributions to that thread certainly have.
Anyway, how does a professional nipple-tweaker have any better hold on the nub of the issue than us amateur nipple-tweakers? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Good Old US of A ....
This is a country with more vitamin fortified foods than any other - basically ... and this is based on a previous company I worked in - analysis on behalf of clients ...... because many crops / foods were speed grown or artifically induced to grow bigger / more visibly attractive ... but quality values reduced. Therefore the program of Vitamin enhancement. All sorts of cover explanations were given ... such as poor people should receive ... etc. etc.
It was said quite openly across the tables that there was a swathe of vitamin related illnesses ... maybe illnesses is too strong a word ... aliments due to over subscribed levels of all sorts of vitamins ....
I have never heard of proof or dis-proof of this ....
Maybe someone else may have that data ??
This is a country with more vitamin fortified foods than any other - basically ... and this is based on a previous company I worked in - analysis on behalf of clients ...... because many crops / foods were speed grown or artifically induced to grow bigger / more visibly attractive ... but quality values reduced. Therefore the program of Vitamin enhancement. All sorts of cover explanations were given ... such as poor people should receive ... etc. etc.
It was said quite openly across the tables that there was a swathe of vitamin related illnesses ... maybe illnesses is too strong a word ... aliments due to over subscribed levels of all sorts of vitamins ....
I have never heard of proof or dis-proof of this ....
Maybe someone else may have that data ??
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