Seasicknes

[sailbadthesinner]

simplest way i have been told is to buy muffin mixes from supermarket and add the cannabis and ginger to those
Unless you are very good at making ginger biscuits.

i think because it is ingested straight into the stomach it has a lot stonger effects. so may need to be wary.
some mates of mine made fairy cakes ate one each and were totally out of it for 6 hours then became totally paranoid
so as with all medication be careful.

i'd just go sailing lots till you get used to it.



Come on brain.get this over and i can go back to killing you with beer

 

[vyv_cox]

I'm not sure that ginger biscuits will contain enough ginger to be effective. The origins of this remedy are thought go back centuries to China, where it was sucking/chewing root ginger that was advocated. A very acceptable alternative is crystallised ginger, tastes good and is supposedly just as effective.

Where British buffet preparers might use cheese and pickled onions on either biscuits or cocktail sticks, the Dutch often serve cheese and crystallised ginger. We have become to enjoy this snack very much, whether it fixes seasickness or not.

 

[Chris_Robb]

Its not the Ginger....

Vyv - its not the ginger that would be the active imngrediant - the idea was for non smokers to make ginger biscuits with added substances - Pot

 

[ccscott49]

I have some ginger in syrup, which I eat with my old amsterdammer cheese, wonderful stuff, not sure how it affects seasickness, because I don't suffer. Themuffin mix is a good idea though, we used to do it that way, in Holland, as I don't smoke either.

 

[Laurin]

Not sure how good these will be for sea sickness, but they taste really good anyway, you could add more ginger/other additions as required.

Granny's Ginger Biscuits
1 lb Plain Flour
1/2 lb Sugar (not molasses)
1/2 lb Treacle
1/2 lb Butter
2tsp Ginger
1tsp Bicarb Soda

Melt Butter, Sugar, Treacle. Mix Ginger and Bicarb with a drop of hot water, add to butter mix and pour over flour. Leave for 1/2 hour. Roll out to between 3mm and 5mm thick, cut out biscuits. Cook at Gas 3-4 for 10 mins

 

[Chris_Robb]

Looks a great recipe - but how much 'other stuff' should go in????

 

[BrendanS]

Before I get any funny looks - I used to be a biological scientist.

Active ingredient has a 20% absorption rate by smoking, and an 80% absorption rate by eating with fats (as in cookies), so you need a lot less. The effect also lasts much longer. You'll need to experiment, depends on individual metabolism, but the same as you'd smoke, put into the batch, would be a good starting point

 

[Chris_Robb]

Thanks - will try them out on my daughter at start of next year - ensuring that there is plently of other crew incase its too strong!

I was a little worried seeing a post from HMCG futher down this post!!!

Its purely medicinal usage

 

[BrendanS]

So long as she eats just one to start with.....not the whole batch!! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

 

[ponapay]

I am frequently seasick and find the best preventative to be Stugeron (take 2 tablets well before leaving harbour) but if sick just work through it.

Keep a bucket handy and concentrate on working, helming, navigating, deck work or anything else that ensures you work hard.

Normally with this routine I have been sick just once, but recently with more crew than normal found I was more often sick but still carried on work and conversation (except during actual puke).

Work is the best remedy.

 

[duncan]

as a major sufferer I have tried most of the 'recipies' listed and would agree with everything said with the following ' additions -1. smoking anything by a non smoker will be unlikely to help!
2. I keep a box of crystaline ginger from one of those bulk 'health shops' on board; although currently it includes other fruits as well 'cos they are nice
3. 'homemade cookies' will help most people
4. Start on the stugeron the night before, and top up before you go
5. bands can help, keeping warm and comfortable also
6. avoid starting out tired, hungover etc (can't avoid finishing up that way in my experience........)
7. alchol doesn't seem to have much effect in moderation
8. helming, looking at something interesting, catching fish (as opposed to simply fishing) all seem to make a big, even huge, difference
9 recommended food before a trip is Chinese - ginger element helps
10 if you succomb drink flat lemonade and nibble dry biscuits -er ginger nuts of course - whilst lying snug and warm somewhere.
The staring at the horizen bit is about keeping you reyes at a single focal length as much as tied up with matching the messages of eyes and ears (balance) - therefoe avoid fiddly (eyewise) tasks like chart work, tying fishing rigs and sitting on the bowsprit unjamming the roller reefing at first light - that one laid me up for 30 hours once..........
just remember you are out there to enjoy it not suffer!

 

[billmacfarlane]

You could always try baking her a Happy cake. If you need a recipe ask in any cafe in Amsterdam !

 

[tome]

Brendan

Your breadth of knowledge never ceases to amaze me - you should have been an agony aunt!

So, having made a few enquiries I'm told I can buy 15 quids worth of said ginger substitute. Looks like a small turd (could be for all I know) which would sit in a teaspoon and seems to be quite a hard thing to cut into small pieces. He kept referring to it as an 'eight' does this mean enough for 8 biscuits?

I had to pretend to be savvy so bottled out of asking any more - think ginger subs merchants are quite hard nuts down our way and definitely more street wise than me. They are also very young, but then so are policemen!

Given the claimed potential I'm prepared to part with 15 quid, but wondering what sort of batch this would produce. I'd give it a shot for medicinal purposes, but wouldn't really want wife wired to the moon as a result.

Mind you, it might give me a chance to get back to some late night posting...Any further advice greatly appreciated.

 

[Petercatterall]

Keep busy, Quells, dry food have all helped me. There is a device being advertised which straps on your wrist which I would give a try if I had a real problem.
Failing all this I am told that 4 hours under an oak tree never fails!

 

[duncan]

funily enough 4 hours under an oakk, after a week on board, can be quite nausiating!

 

[Spacewaist]

I find cigarette smoke turns the stomache - and the left over smell from the morning's fry up.

It rarely rains for longer than four hours........

 

[BrendanS]

Well, theoretically (never having had any practical experience), what I understand is the prescribed procedure is to hold a flame under an edge until it goes soft and friable. You can then pull off a lump about a third of the size of a pea. This would be a good starter dose for the gingernuts or a decent smoke

Based on research done whilst a student many years ago, 15 quid for an 8th is a pretty reasonable price, given that an 8th is twice a 16th!

Hope this helps.
Agony Uncle Brendan

 

[Avocet]

I once read that porridge with a bit of sugar and plenty of Whisky was well worth trying. Apparently it didn't cure sea-sickness but was one of the few foodstuffs that tasted the same comming back as it did going down!

Also felt I had to share the following with you...

Some years ago, a friend of mine brought his new girlfriend sailing with us. It was a fairly windy day so we just decided to go out for a few hours on the tide and back before the lock gates shut (Fleetwood).

Now this girl had gorgeous long blonde hair (and I mean long enough to sit on) but started going green pretty soon after we set off. Being the considerate skipper I am, I told her that if she felt the need to "barf", she should do it over "that side" of the boat (no point in saying "leeward" to a first-timer). Well, a few minutes later, she did so we decided to go about and head back. I've been seasick myself and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy! Not long after going about she once again felt the need to feed the fish some more "diced carrot". Before anyone could say anything, we all (especially she with the long hair) deeply regretted not having explained "leeward" at the appropriate time!

Sorry none of the above have been useful, but it's all "related"!

 

[MedMan]

I have used Stugeron for 28 of my 30 years sailing offshore but I now use Boots Travel Calm tablets. Stugeron works fine and does not make me drowsy when I am taking it, but I suffer severe withdrawal symptoms when I stop. Two to three hours after 'coming off' the stuff I am zapped completely. My daughter introduced me to Boots Travel Calm - they contain the same active ingredient as Scopoderm patches - and it works very well for me with no side effects either whilst taking or afterwards.

I agree with the comments made by several about keeping on deck and keeping a view of the horizon. I suffered terribly on my first boat (a Hustler 30) so we bought a pilot-house Trident Voyager 35. It has made a world of difference. I can go below to do chart work and keep glancing out at the horizon and I am fine.

Good luck

David

 

[PeterGibbs]

1. Go chat with your pharmacist.

2. Take ginger in some form when at sea - Fox's Superior biscuits are my treatment of choice

3. Make sure affected folks get lots of sleep before sailing - fatigue is a key contributor (that's why Saturday can be the worst day at sea - after a week's tiring work etc) as is eating and drinking more than moderately the night before. Curry and strong foods are a sure way of inducing vomiting at sea!

4. Induce a feeling of confidence in the crew - fear exacerbates a tendency to mal de mer! Even on calm days! Take along a book of songs - the saucier the better!
A crossword book will do for more intellectual types! Laughing crews are much less prone to sickness.

PWG