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scrasie - What's in it for you?
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Chris_d
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Your right about larger US boats, I think it only makes sense importing small stuff and even then you will never realise the saving, as the second hand price is just as low for an import. Scrasie is not interested in small stuff anyway, I'm sure he does well sending big stuff to Nigeria though, petrol is only about 25p a litre over there.
scrasie
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The smallest you can go with diesels is the 310da im affraid from there and up you can get 300+hp yanmars. You can get a 2005+ diesel 340da for under $200,000.
And i will export small boats as long as the buyer is sure that he wants it and I dont waste three weeks sorting out shipping and everthing just for him/her to pull out.
And i will export small boats as long as the buyer is sure that he wants it and I dont waste three weeks sorting out shipping and everthing just for him/her to pull out.
lovezoo
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Anyone remember BrokerBen and what happened to him? I don't think I would come on here blatantly trying to sell boats and risk the same fate.
Scrasie - you've got to be much more subtle pushing your wares if you want to succeed on here. Try having a signature with your website in it and post on subjects you are interested in. Casually mention now and again that you sell SeaRays in the US at half UK prices. Always pop up and reply to questions about CE marking and importing from the US and the like - that way it won't be obvious you are posting spam. Maybe one day you will get a sale, but I think probably not unfortunately unless you get really lucky /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Scrasie - you've got to be much more subtle pushing your wares if you want to succeed on here. Try having a signature with your website in it and post on subjects you are interested in. Casually mention now and again that you sell SeaRays in the US at half UK prices. Always pop up and reply to questions about CE marking and importing from the US and the like - that way it won't be obvious you are posting spam. Maybe one day you will get a sale, but I think probably not unfortunately unless you get really lucky /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
oldgit
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the perils of Mercruiser risers Rotten Iron
the perils of Searay Hulls
Rotten Hulls
.Lets hope the newer stuff is better.
the perils of Searay Hulls
Rotten Hulls
.Lets hope the newer stuff is better.
ArthurWood
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Thats it exactly In our Marina there are quite a lot early Searay's with big V4 twin petrol mercruisers or the like. The local engineer has a great trade in replacing corroded exhaust manifiolds. Life expectancy 4-5 years each engine has 4. He is just preparing for the next rush.
I have a customer, we were teaching on his twin V4 mercruiser Searay 330, on day three the top of a plug or two decided to give up, just snapped off. Investigation revealed rusted plugs two of which just would not come out. Engineer strips engine down removes head has it cleaned & "skimmed" replaces rotten riser and exhaust manifold, (which he thought was leaking) puts it all back.
Starts engine and finds still has huge water leak. Now seems the head is cracked.
and so it goes on. Bear in mind this is only one head and one manifold so far.
I would not buy a second hand aging Amercian boat with petrols. I have heard that they were designed for fresh water lakes and cheap fuel in the states, not to sit in a jacket of salt water.
Now I cant answer for the new models may be they have sorted out the rotting manifold problem. Oldgit put a facinating article on a thread recently about this very subject.
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Clive, Sea Ray/Mercs are designed for salt water use and if the risers/elbows are properly serviced they should last for years.
I had my exhaust manifolds replaced at 1100 hr - there are two, not four on each 454 - and I check my elbow/manifold gaskets every 100 hr. They are easy to replace and the elbows (no risers as such) are SS. The elbows have never been changed.
We have 1500 hr on our 13 year old 37/41 footer and she still runs like new.
As for importing from the US, I would be more concerned about the supplier; he works for Marine Max the biggest Sea Ray dealer in the world, yet he wants to moonlight selling into Europe.
Thats it exactly In our Marina there are quite a lot early Searay's with big V4 twin petrol mercruisers or the like. The local engineer has a great trade in replacing corroded exhaust manifiolds. Life expectancy 4-5 years each engine has 4. He is just preparing for the next rush.
I have a customer, we were teaching on his twin V4 mercruiser Searay 330, on day three the top of a plug or two decided to give up, just snapped off. Investigation revealed rusted plugs two of which just would not come out. Engineer strips engine down removes head has it cleaned & "skimmed" replaces rotten riser and exhaust manifold, (which he thought was leaking) puts it all back.
Starts engine and finds still has huge water leak. Now seems the head is cracked.
and so it goes on. Bear in mind this is only one head and one manifold so far.
I would not buy a second hand aging Amercian boat with petrols. I have heard that they were designed for fresh water lakes and cheap fuel in the states, not to sit in a jacket of salt water.
Now I cant answer for the new models may be they have sorted out the rotting manifold problem. Oldgit put a facinating article on a thread recently about this very subject.
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Clive, Sea Ray/Mercs are designed for salt water use and if the risers/elbows are properly serviced they should last for years.
I had my exhaust manifolds replaced at 1100 hr - there are two, not four on each 454 - and I check my elbow/manifold gaskets every 100 hr. They are easy to replace and the elbows (no risers as such) are SS. The elbows have never been changed.
We have 1500 hr on our 13 year old 37/41 footer and she still runs like new.
As for importing from the US, I would be more concerned about the supplier; he works for Marine Max the biggest Sea Ray dealer in the world, yet he wants to moonlight selling into Europe.
scrasie
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Why on earth would you be concerned about purchasing from the largest Sea Ray dealer in the World? I have exported many boats to Europe, Africa and Australia. I am not moonlighting! It is my only job! Unless you have anything constructive to say, then say nothing. My customers are very grateful for the service they receive and the thousands of pounds they save.
whisper
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"I am not moonlighting" - well you make this hard to believe.
You say that you currently work for the largest Sea Ray dealer yet you have also touted for trade to be put the way of a different company that you are moving to in the near future.
I assume it is the morality of this that Arthur and I suspect many others, are questioning.
You say that you currently work for the largest Sea Ray dealer yet you have also touted for trade to be put the way of a different company that you are moving to in the near future.
I assume it is the morality of this that Arthur and I suspect many others, are questioning.
scrasie
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im sure the uk importer would love to hear the fact you are trying to do them out of business and pushing "greys" into this country.
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It has nothing to do with the UK importer/dealer as we are only dealing in USED boats to the UK. Under agreements with Sea Ray we are not permitted to sell new.
im sure the uk importer would love to hear the fact you are trying to do them out of business and pushing "greys" into this country.
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It has nothing to do with the UK importer/dealer as we are only dealing in USED boats to the UK. Under agreements with Sea Ray we are not permitted to sell new.
scrasie
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i dont think anyone will have too much sympathy for the importers. It is the warranty issue which would put me off.
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Your very best option is to purchase a SLIGHTLY used boat. This is a win win situation! You get an almost new boat that has had it's initial depreciation and has low hours.
i dont think anyone will have too much sympathy for the importers. It is the warranty issue which would put me off.
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Your very best option is to purchase a SLIGHTLY used boat. This is a win win situation! You get an almost new boat that has had it's initial depreciation and has low hours.
scrasie
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Scrasie - we bought 3 boats, all from MarineMax - one came from Jacksonville, one from Georgia and one from Ft walton Beach. The 2 - 2nd hand ones have been great, the new Sea Ray has come with what we think are manufacturer faults and we are not happy with the "tough luck sort it over there" attitude from marine Max. The maths for interest is broadly (if you do it yourself which is what we did) - that the boat ends up costing about half, maybe a bit less than UK and then transportation, VAT, inport duty, port handling, CE certification etc. is about 25% so in essence you end up with a boat approx 25% cheaper. For sure the local dealers treat you like "scum"!!
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Which boat did you buy from Ft Walton and who sold it to you?
Scrasie - we bought 3 boats, all from MarineMax - one came from Jacksonville, one from Georgia and one from Ft walton Beach. The 2 - 2nd hand ones have been great, the new Sea Ray has come with what we think are manufacturer faults and we are not happy with the "tough luck sort it over there" attitude from marine Max. The maths for interest is broadly (if you do it yourself which is what we did) - that the boat ends up costing about half, maybe a bit less than UK and then transportation, VAT, inport duty, port handling, CE certification etc. is about 25% so in essence you end up with a boat approx 25% cheaper. For sure the local dealers treat you like "scum"!!
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Which boat did you buy from Ft Walton and who sold it to you?
scrasie
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scrasie - What's in it for you?
[/ QUOTE ] Errrrrr! The satisfaction in knowing you haven't been raped by a UK dealer and I get to feed my family!
scrasie - What's in it for you?
[/ QUOTE ] Errrrrr! The satisfaction in knowing you haven't been raped by a UK dealer and I get to feed my family!
scrasie
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Your right about larger US boats, I think it only makes sense importing small stuff and even then you will never realise the saving, as the second hand price is just as low for an import. Scrasie is not interested in small stuff anyway, I'm sure he does well sending big stuff to Nigeria though, petrol is only about 25p a litre over there.
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I will provide any size Sea Ray if needed.
Your right about larger US boats, I think it only makes sense importing small stuff and even then you will never realise the saving, as the second hand price is just as low for an import. Scrasie is not interested in small stuff anyway, I'm sure he does well sending big stuff to Nigeria though, petrol is only about 25p a litre over there.
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I will provide any size Sea Ray if needed.
scrasie
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"I am not moonlighting" - well you make this hard to believe.
You say that you currently work for the largest Sea Ray dealer yet you have also touted for trade to be put the way of a different company that you are moving to in the near future.
I assume it is the morality of this that Arthur and I suspect many others, are questioning.
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I am moving to a different state with another Sea Ray dealer who has offered me a better position. Is that wrong?
"I am not moonlighting" - well you make this hard to believe.
You say that you currently work for the largest Sea Ray dealer yet you have also touted for trade to be put the way of a different company that you are moving to in the near future.
I assume it is the morality of this that Arthur and I suspect many others, are questioning.
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I am moving to a different state with another Sea Ray dealer who has offered me a better position. Is that wrong?
G
gingie
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answer for everything........ i would walk away and forget trying on here.
I for one if i was going to purchase a boat would not be from you. Think you have come on here and gone about things the wrong way. "raped by the uk dealer" sounds harsh!!! Better than buying from someone who sounds a bit dishonest!
Work for the biggest US agent yet shifting them out the back door yourself. Do your bosses know you doing this. If you that concerned about the Uk clients get Marine MAx to set up over here and sell trade through the office that way.
Jez with the Westlines, Trev with the Absolutes are on here with their products but not in your face. Yes sometimes it has been tedious with a Westline or Absolute thread but they also have valuble input, advice and input whilst not being biased.
Put the guns away go away think and come back with a different approach
I for one if i was going to purchase a boat would not be from you. Think you have come on here and gone about things the wrong way. "raped by the uk dealer" sounds harsh!!! Better than buying from someone who sounds a bit dishonest!
Work for the biggest US agent yet shifting them out the back door yourself. Do your bosses know you doing this. If you that concerned about the Uk clients get Marine MAx to set up over here and sell trade through the office that way.
Jez with the Westlines, Trev with the Absolutes are on here with their products but not in your face. Yes sometimes it has been tedious with a Westline or Absolute thread but they also have valuble input, advice and input whilst not being biased.
Put the guns away go away think and come back with a different approach
Renegade_Master
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Arthur have a look at Oldgits link
ArthurWood
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Arthur have a look at Oldgits link
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Clive, I already did, but I don't think the problem is endemic. With the number of Sea Rays here in Florida, I'm sure the word would be around - and it isn't. Ours is raw water cooled, as are many other petrol Mercs, and and as I said earlier, I check the gaskets every 100 hr or so and have not had a problem. Yes, the channels get a bit blocked, but they are easy to clean.
Arthur have a look at Oldgits link
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Clive, I already did, but I don't think the problem is endemic. With the number of Sea Rays here in Florida, I'm sure the word would be around - and it isn't. Ours is raw water cooled, as are many other petrol Mercs, and and as I said earlier, I check the gaskets every 100 hr or so and have not had a problem. Yes, the channels get a bit blocked, but they are easy to clean.
scrasie
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Im sorry ealier people where hounding me for answers now you get then and you dont want them huh? And dishonest what have I said at any one point to show that I am dishonest?? I try to offer a service and this is the response I get? Ill try to take your advice and come on with a different approch in the spring. I didnt come on here to argue, anyone who wishes to contact me please feel free to contact me otherwise dont bother, and for those who have already contacted me ill try to get back to you today.
ArthurWood
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Why on earth would you be concerned about purchasing from the largest Sea Ray dealer in the World? I have exported many boats to Europe, Africa and Australia. I am not moonlighting! It is my only job! Unless you have anything constructive to say, then say nothing. My customers are very grateful for the service they receive and the thousands of pounds they save.
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Pardon me, but MarineMax, the largest SR dealer in the world only operates in the US, to my knowledge, so do they and SR know that you are dealing outside the US and in competition with SR overseas dealerships? Just trying to get to the facts.
Why on earth would you be concerned about purchasing from the largest Sea Ray dealer in the World? I have exported many boats to Europe, Africa and Australia. I am not moonlighting! It is my only job! Unless you have anything constructive to say, then say nothing. My customers are very grateful for the service they receive and the thousands of pounds they save.
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Pardon me, but MarineMax, the largest SR dealer in the world only operates in the US, to my knowledge, so do they and SR know that you are dealing outside the US and in competition with SR overseas dealerships? Just trying to get to the facts.
ArthurWood
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im sure the uk importer would love to hear the fact you are trying to do them out of business and pushing "greys" into this country.
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It has nothing to do with the UK importer/dealer as we are only dealing in USED boats to the UK. Under agreements with Sea Ray we are not permitted to sell new.
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I've just read your comment about used boats, so my argument is partially invalid although if I were MarineMax I would take a dim view of your moonlighting, which it is, no matter what you want to call it. Isn't there something in your employment contract about this?
Is The Rest of The World also part of your new employer's sales territory or your sideline?
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im sure the uk importer would love to hear the fact you are trying to do them out of business and pushing "greys" into this country.
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It has nothing to do with the UK importer/dealer as we are only dealing in USED boats to the UK. Under agreements with Sea Ray we are not permitted to sell new.
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I've just read your comment about used boats, so my argument is partially invalid although if I were MarineMax I would take a dim view of your moonlighting, which it is, no matter what you want to call it. Isn't there something in your employment contract about this?
Is The Rest of The World also part of your new employer's sales territory or your sideline?
