Sealine T50 or T60

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since the launch of these boats I have not managed to read any tests or out. They both showed promise, and someone must have bought one. I wonder if any forum members own either and would like to let us know how things are going.

Just curious
 
I've got a T60. The boat is fab, it has plenty of space for everything, and is well laid out. On the water performance is everything I could hope for.

The crew have included Kiera Knightley, Kate Winslett, and strangely, Charlotte Rampling when she was in her early 30's...

...then I wake up /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
a client of mine bought a T50 after owning an Azimut 55 and 39 before it
he said it basically is a sleeping caravan, and is just so crap compared to the AZ 55
finishing esepcially in the hidden areas is way standard
he also critized her at anchor as it rolls a bit too much and performance in the not so good weather is noting out of this world....
still at 400k EUROS cheaper from the price of the AZ 55 one can stay without these details....
 
I don't own one, but I have done a number of miles on T60's and they are one of my favourite 60ft boats, they are great at sea and you can throw them about like a much smaller boat, great fun for a change in a biggish boat.

Layout wise, IMHO I think they are great, the accomodation space is excellent, the cabins are all good sizes, the saloon area is very sociable with the galley/dinette at the rear it is well placed for inside/outside partying,

And then there is the flybridge, great place to be but it is the only place I find fault, the helm is sat behind the sunpad, this means that the wind blowing over the screen at 27kts comes right in your face and the only other thing I hate with most flybridge boats is the steaming light bathes the dash area in light which affects your night vision when cruising at night, but that is the same on most boats I have tried.

Hope this helps your curiosity /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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That's one of the funniest posts I have read in ages.

Next time you have Kiera down send me an invite...

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Best not let SWMBO read this thread....... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
T60 is no slouch. I was following one a year or so ago in my squeaker and was quite surprised at how it shifted when they shovelled some coal on.
 
We gave the T60 some carefull thought when we replaced out T51.

The old T51/T52 boats were built well but it just seemed to us that the T60 (and I believe the T50) weren't finished off inside as well as the previous boats. All seem a little MFI'ish - laminate looks like laminate.

Progress I suppose.

I'm sure there was an MBY write up about 18months ago - maybe wrong though.
 
Nah, she's a realistic woman who understands that Kiera is a special case, and in the highly unlikely event that an opportunity presented itself she would be more than understanding.

Accordingly, I have the same understanding when it comes to George Clooney...

and Brad Pitt

and Daniel Craig

and that bloke in the pirate film

and Ronan wassisname from Boyzone

and probably a few others....
 
I ran a T50 for a season and sold on/traded up. My main issues were

- Shocking build quality - at least 5 things would fall off/break every time I took her out (double figures hull no)
- Unsociable fly bridge - if you are helming, apart from the nav seat, all other seating was 15 feet behind you out of view.
- Although the midships cabin is nice, it has headroom issues that are sorted in other modern 50footers
- Agree with the poster re laminate - although not really any worse than Fairline/Princess
- Over 20knts on the fly bridge even in calm seas, you were holding on for you life
- Shocking service from Peters PLC

Thought about a T60 afterward, but was concerned about repeating the same issues and still has the flybridge/laminate issue
 
Things that fell off...

Flybridge helm seats (held down by 1 inch self tapping screws)
Aircon pump skin fitting covers
Wall mirrors in cabins (multiple items/multiple times)
Cupboard doors in galley and heads where magnetic catches not strong enough (multiple items/multiple times)
Patio doors coming off runners and jamming
Throttle controls disconnecting from bus

those are some of the items that spring to mind in 30secs. If you have a more serious interest I could share my snag lists via PM if that helps.
 
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Flybridge helm seats (held down by 1 inch self tapping screws)


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Patio doors coming off runners and jamming


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Sealine have'nt changed then. Those were the exact same problems (plus a whole host of others) we had a Sealine 305 that we owned about 17 yrs ago. Everything secured with self tappers including the complete flybridge moulding which tried to go walkabout in the middle of the E Channel one day. If it's any consolation, I don't think any of the other Brit builders are any better. Self tappers are the default fixing method on every Brit production boat
 
Thanks, that's fine. I'm just interested in a general way in "Things to look out for when you go boat shopping".

Having a mirror falling on top of someone could be painful. My cabin mirror (S28) fell off onto the berth after 3 months: turned out that the blobs of goo that should have secured it had only made contact in three small places, instead of all the way around the edge...

dv.
 
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Indeed, as andyball of this parish pointed out to me, on my Portofino the engines were basically held down by a combination of gravity and what were really just big self tappers. That is, until I bonded the engine mounts in, anyway.
 
That's shocking, I had an older T series Sealine and the build quality was excellent, though i didn't have it from new so maybe someone else went through the pain of sorting it.

I agree all the Brit builders still have a way to go. I had to work out for myself that the door catches on my Princess are designed for slightly thinner doors, and don't function properly on the thicker ones. I'm modifying them all myself, but I shouldn't have to, as stopping doors flying open at sea is fairly basic stuff.
 
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Flybridge helm seats (held down by 1 inch self tapping screws)


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Patio doors coming off runners and jamming


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Sealine have'nt changed then. Those were the exact same problems (plus a whole host of others) we had a Sealine 305 that we owned about 17 yrs ago. Everything secured with self tappers including the complete flybridge moulding which tried to go walkabout in the middle of the E Channel one day. If it's any consolation, I don't think any of the other Brit builders are any better. Self tappers are the default fixing method on every Brit production boat

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so true the quote of the British builder, a friend owned a F 37 Phantom from 1996 which he bought new
and once we ran into a Force 5 head sea and the galley washbasin, hob and oven finished all over the place thanks to the self tappers...
stupid indeed for a boat of that price....
 
Yup, I had a 1998 Fairline Targa 48 and the whole boat seemed to be held together with self tappers including some quite heavily stressed joints like internal handhold fixings and the brackets for the tender garage hatch. I spent many a happy hour (not) trying to find slightly oversized screws for self tappers that had worked loose. But the worst bit on that boat and this is something other Brit builders do, was that the soundproofing foam panels in the engine bay were only glued on so they would regularly fall onto the hot engines /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I hope Fairline's current build quality has improved because their prices are certainly very elevated these days
 
I'll second the selftappers............also all kinds of different length bolts on the same securing duties!

Hilarious really, when I took some bits off the Taga 37 this spring clean, I peeed myself regularly, at the total lack of consistancy regarding Q.C.

I recon they must in the late 90's have swept the factory floors, lobbed all the screws and bolts in a pot that had been dropped, and handed a box out to each fitter.............Bit like our factory so I shouldnt moan I suppose!

Half the time Im sure it just comes down to specific fitters not giving a toss!
Jas.

Ditto, Keira, and maybe Kylie too. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif (Sorry I meant Danni)
 
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Yup, I had a 1998 Fairline Targa 48 and the whole boat seemed to be held together with self tappers including some quite heavily stressed joints like internal handhold fixings and the brackets for the tender garage hatch. I spent many a happy hour (not) trying to find slightly oversized screws for self tappers that had worked loose. But the worst bit on that boat and this is something other Brit builders do, was that the soundproofing foam panels in the engine bay were only glued on so they would regularly fall onto the hot engines /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I hope Fairline's current build quality has improved because their prices are certainly very elevated these days

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I keep reading about the superior quality of Fairline, yet some seem to have fairly major problems reported - and there's evidently a few Squadron's around which leak like sieves from the flybridge into the saloon after a few years service. And then there was the brand new Squaddie returned when the hull delaminated. As it happens though, my choice if I could afford it would be a new Targa 52, and I have to say a new Phantom 50 on our pontoon is absolutely gorgeous......

Our 2001 S41 is in fantastic condition, and having owned it for the past two years, nothing has fallen off it at all (though the DPG legs were replaced under warranty last year due to corrosion, though that was not really a Sealine problem!!) Perhaps everything that fell off it was replaced before we bought it!! It's our seventh Sealine, and honestly, I can say we've had few problems with any of them.
I guess all manufacturers have their rogue boats, and many are badly treated of course.

Don't forget that ANY boat going for test with a magazine will be very thoroughly checked, checked and checked again to ensure there are no evident quality issues, something that does not happen for the average customer.

Just a thought, several car manufacturers went through a very rocky quality patch a few years ago, (including Mercedes, VW and GM) when the bean counters reduced component costs by 25%+. Quality/reliability fell through the floor, the warranty costs rocketed, and reputations were wrecked - perhaps the same has occurred in the major UK boat manufacturers??
 
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