Sea Sense

Some of the time I am being accused of misrepresenting the col regs , I have not tried to do this , all I have done is brought to the forums attention an RYA publication (that I endorse).

Some consider the RYA text is not word for word in keeping with col regs as it has been adjusted into plain English.
Next argument seams to be oh well yes the col regs do say that but when it suits us lets adjust them into plain English AND your own so called common sense.
 
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dacarak said:
If I understand correctly some are suggesting that a yacht tacking out the channel is on a course that should be apparent and everyone should keep out the way.
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That is not what I said ... what I suggested is that ALL skippers should look further afield (most seem to anyway) and make their course accordingly.

For the Mobo Skipper through a harbour at 8 knots or less they will have plenty of time to see ahead and at what is going on there .. whilst I appreciate they may not know how to sail, it is blatantly obvious if a sailboat is heading for a bank then chances are they will have to turn before they get there - so aim not to put your boat into a situation that invokes the colregs.

Equally - the Sailboat skipper should be aware of the boats coming up behind and plan his tacking accordingly...

dacarak said:
How many mobos have ever been on a sailing boat never mind understand how to work a tide ?
What happens when I am in a harbour Ive not been to before and I want to stay in the buoyed channel.
what happens when the harbour is so busy I have not noticed the sailing boat sailing through the trots into me ?
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Shouldn't happen if the sailboat skipper is looking properly (obviously mistakes can be made)

dacarak said:
Now change this last situation into the English channel where a container ship is so much higher than you and he can see 20 times as much traffic as you can, despite you thinking you are the only other boat around, the channel is saturated and you make a softer target lost on the radar in sea clutter. Unless you want to be the next MIA then you might want to think again !
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That's why we have sails dear boy!! Much easier to spot!! ;)
 
DAKA, that is a boat under power not a sailing boat. In that particular case the smaller power vessel approaching from the port side of the merchant ship was the give way vessel anyway, clearly the guy was a nutter.

What has two power vessels in a crossing situation got to do with this thread?
 
galadriel said:
DAKA, that is a boat under power not a sailing boat. In that particular case the smaller power vessel approaching from the port side of the merchant ship was the give way vessel anyway, clearly the guy was a nutter.

What has two power vessels in a crossing situation got to do with this thread?
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Has Troll season been declared open in this thread ?
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Although the yacht is under power it is clearly a sailing skipper at the helm.

In the solent I frequently come across mobos at 8 knots who manage to obey col regs.

I cant remember the last time a sailing boat under power obeyed the col regs, and altered course to keep out my way, they dont.
The attitude is clearly 'power gives way to sail' , regardless of sailing or under power, it is always left for me to keep clear despite being stand on.
 
dacarak said:
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Although the yacht is under power it is clearly a sailing skipper at the helm.

In the solent I frequently come across mobos at 8 knots who manage to obey col regs.

I cant remember the last time a sailing boat under power obeyed the col regs, and altered course to keep out my way, they dont.
The attitude is clearly 'power gives way to sail' , regardless of sailing or under power, it is always left for me to keep clear despite being stand on.
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Now you really are trying to wind up as many people as you can. I personally know the skipper on the smaller power driven vessel in the film clip, and he is in fact a mobo owner, that is why the sails arnt even on the spars!

(there is a certain amount of commercial truth in this post, how many of you can spot which bit that is?)
 
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You did that here:

dacarak said:
# there is a comon misconception that sail has right of way over power
# Look around & be aware
# Look before you tack
# Give sea room,
# Be friendly - don`t buzz
# Use your motoring cone when motoring
# Use your anchor ball & give anchored craft a wide berth
# Racing yachts are not exempt from col regs
# If you tack into the path of a power boat YOU ARE IN THE WRONG, regardless of the fact you may run aground if you do not tack.


Yes I know it just sounds like another stinker troll but afraid not it is all RYA advice !
Happy sailing guys.




http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectio...egulations and Safety/SeaSenseLeaflet2009.pdf






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galadriel said:
Now you really are trying to wind up as many people as you can. I personally know the skipper on the smaller power driven vessel in the film clip,
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Learnt his col regs at the HISC bar ;)

I think I best leave the thread on this lighter note before some join in boot first :eek:

I am pleased I brought the RYA advice to the attention of the forum, how each individual chooses to act on it is out of my control but I thank you all for the way you have kept the thread civil.
Happy safe sailing to all.:)
 
fireball said:
Does that mean you'll give way to us all?! ;)
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I usually do !

There are times though when it is not immediate.

Last year we were cruising through chichester, my 7 year old nephew was on board so i let him drive, obviously it would have been irresponsible to leave him alone so I popped the autopilot on.

I went down stairs to get some more ice for the G&T.

From the kitchen window I saw some burk tack onto our side of the road, I had to shout for swmbo to take it off autopilot so I could drive from downstairs.

That was a close situation, if he had known the col regs he wouldnt have tacked into us causing an unsafe situation.:p

Not meant as a serious post :rolleyes:
 
Twister_Ken said:
"Last year we were cruising through chichester, my 7 year old nephew was on board so i let him drive, obviously it would have been irresponsible to leave him alone so I popped the autopilot on."

Not much you can say to that expect "you prat".
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TK, I shouldnt take that seriously, in a thread that started out as a troll, was stoked up as a troll all the way through, will naturally finish as a troll.
 
DJE said:
Use an auxilliary engine, use a different route, wait for a less busy time, ask for assistance.
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By your logic there would be no point in owning a sailboat in many parts of the world. I agree there are certainly times when it's prudent to follow your advice, but to suggest that a sailboat should be prevented from sailing in any narrow channel any time there's other traffic about is unrealistic and unnecessary. The Colregs do not impose any such restriction on sailing vessels, so it appears to me that Rule 9 is not that clear to you, after all.
 
Cruiser2B said:
By your logic there would be no point in owning a sailboat in many parts of the world. I agree there are certainly times when it's prudent to follow your advice, but to suggest that a sailboat should be prevented from sailing in any narrow channel any time there's other traffic about is unrealistic and unnecessary. The Colregs do not impose any such restriction on sailing vessels, so it appears to me that Rule 9 is not that clear to you, after all.
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Rule 9 does, however, prohibit sailing vessels from impeding vessels that can navigate only in a narrow channel. If someone lacks the observation, judgement, or boathandling ability to be able to conform to that rule, then yes, their only option is not to sail in the narrow channel.
 
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