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I dare say that the main ingredients of food were pretty well known by 1900, such as CHOs and fats, as well as the various salts. It must have taken a giant leap of imagination to realise that important factors such as the vitamins could be necessary in such minuscule amounts.
Also, I think the medical profession did up to about that time felt threatened by any potential cures from outside the system. Most alleged witches burnt at the stake were mainly mid wives and natural healers. Like Big Pharma today, no big bucks to be made with with the short life of fruit and veg.
 

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Also, I think the medical profession did up to about that time felt threatened by any potential cures from outside the system.
Definitely the same these days. One of the most closed minded professions I can think of which chooses indoctrination over education every time. There’s a great Ted talk by a guy who created a better solution and had to fight the system to even get a trial.
How I repaired my own heart
 

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I tormented my young daughter with scurvey stories if she didn't eat her veg. Old cuts opening etc. Worked very well.
 

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Definitely the same these days. One of the most closed minded professions I can think of which chooses indoctrination over education every time. There’s a great Ted talk by a guy who created a better solution and had to fight the system to even get a trial.
How I repaired my own heart
That’s a very warped view of medicine. Maybe the worst excesses of the US private field deserve such criticism, but it doesn‘t match my memory over many years. A fine example of radical medicine was the treatment of H Pylori, which almost overnight took gastric surgery off the operating lists. Both surgeons and physicians adopted the new treatments with alacrity, and you could say the same for polio vaccine and numerous other innovations.
 

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That’s a very warped view of medicine
Did you write that before or after watching the video? In it, the chap describes the existing procedure (which they tried to insist he had) which involved cutting open the chest, breaking apart the ribs, cutting out pieces of artery, sewing up and then a lifetime supply of warfarin and all that goes with it. His newer method involved keyhole surgery and was every bit as effective. Even after proving this in hundreds of patients, the butchers still had their knives out and fingers in their ears.
 

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Did you write that before or after watching the video?
There are a million videos on the net decrying modern medicine, vaccines, ‘big pharma’ etc. Many of them made by people who owe their lives to modern medicine. ie anyone over 40 years old. That wasthe life expectancy before big pharma and modern medicine. Seriously, you want to go back there? Some bits are a bit crappy, but, hell, I’m 62, I’d hate to wake up having been dead for 22 years.
 

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I watched it. Nothing of any great surprise there. Just normal human nature where people tend to be complacent and resistant to change. The medical profession is no more immune to this than any other.
 

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the existing procedure (which they tried to insist he had) which involved cutting open the chest, breaking apart the ribs, cutting out pieces of artery, sewing up and then a lifetime supply of warfarin and all that goes with it.
That is the standard treatment for valve replacement. It works, for all its inconveniences. The keyhole surgery also works in some cases, but not all. When to apply it is a judgement call. Hanging's too good for the surgeon whose judgement is based on the size of his invoice, but "I can do A in my sleep, but I don't know B, and I don't know anyone who can" is a good reason for going for A
 

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I'm not any sort of medic, and I know nothing about the circumstances of the case in question, but taking an angle grinder to my sternum and unzipping me for the best part of a foot saved my life. The only blood thinner I'm on is aspirin.

I haven't watched the vid, but what you describe sounds like a heart bypass. Stents are used most of the time for that now, which is usually day surgery, done under local anaesthetic, but still isn't always appropriate.
 

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As you point out - onions and potatoes (and I think it is the onions) solve the problems. It does not need to be citrus fruit.

Odd that we were called Limeys as limes (if I had to make a judgement) are much more uncommon the lemons - but maybe lies kept better (or were more common at the last port of call before crossing the Atlantic.

The Philippines have a delightful equivalent, Kalamansi, which ensure that the local rum is a real killer :). Happy days!

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Its worse than that. The Royal Navy thought limes had more antiscorbitic capability thus bought some at greater expense. They taste better but are not as effective as lemons.

Fresh meat is also antiscorbitic, but pickled salted meat much less so,
 

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My cousin was a nurse and worked in Manchester and they had a case of scurvy comparatively recently, the family diet was confined to fish and chips, veg didn't feature.
 
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