Scilly is still closed to visitors

[[70521]]

How many years are the people of Scilly prepared to live in isolation with nil visits to the mainland and no tourists? There is no vaccine against this virus so at some point the islands we have to be exposed to it and get through it. The difference is that now we have government support, in 12 months when all government support is gone what are the islands going to do? Is there a plan?

Probably not, neither has the UK government, but for any small island community having CV-19 run riot is not good news.

 

[Scillypete]

How many years are the people of Scilly prepared to live in isolation with nil visits to the mainland and no tourists? There is no vaccine against this virus so at some point the islands we have to be exposed to it and get through it. The difference is that now we have government support, in 12 months when all government support is gone what are the islands going to do? Is there a plan?

A plan! ! That would require people to agree on something and currently if you ask 5 different locals you’ll get 10 different opinions.

 

[Stemar]

In 12 months time it's very likely there'll be a vaccine.

[viago]But don't take it, it'll give you autism/inject a chip to control your thoughts[/viago]

Oh well. I suppose that's one way to get a bit of chlorine in the gene pool...

 

[Seven Spades]

They haven’t found a vaccine for Aids so don’t hold your breath.

 

[dom]

One can only sympathise with small island communities striving to keep this wretched virus at bay. And if a vaccine proves to be just around the corner, then they have reason to be proud.

There are however other outcomes, such as where a safe vaccine drags, and where countries like France carefully reopen to tourism at a lower price point for similar services. Under such a scenario UK islanders and other rural communities may come to rue the aggressive language, or even the association therewith, which has been deployed by some counties against their fellow countrymen.

The trouble is that even comical allusions to pitchforks and suchlike (BTW 100% sure ScillyPete made this comment 100% in jest) may ultimately be conflated with the intemperate and sometimes abusive tone adopted by the likes of Devon County Council.

A tone which is fine if the intention is to tell those pesky Londoners and such like to **** off once and for all. If however they are counting on the return of tourism when times are better, then they may expect a similar response from the metropolitan tourists. A response shouted even louder should they come asking for increased regional subsidies. Creating these kind of feelings may turn out to have been disingenuous in the extreme and created them they have.

The Isles of Scilly is such a warm hearted place populated by such lovely people. It might make sense for them to at least re-tweak their message.

 

[steve yates]

They haven’t found a vaccine for Aids so don’t hold your breath.

Actually, I believe they may just have before all this

 

[longjohnsilver]

One can only sympathise with small island communities striving to keep this wretched virus at bay. And if a vaccine proves to be just around the corner, then they have reason to be proud.

There are however other outcomes, such as where a safe vaccine drags, and where countries like France carefully reopen to tourism at a lower price point for similar services. Under such a scenario UK islanders and other rural communities may come to rue the aggressive language, or even the association therewith, which has been deployed by some counties against their fellow countrymen.

The trouble is that even comical allusions to pitchforks and suchlike (BTW 100% sure ScillyPete made this comment 100% in jest) may ultimately be conflated with the intemperate and sometimes abusive tone adopted by the likes of Devon County Council.

A tone which is fine if the intention is to tell those pesky Londoners and such like to **** off once and for all. If however they are counting on the return of tourism when times are better, then they may expect a similar response from the metropolitan tourists. A response shouted even louder should they come asking for increased regional subsidies. Creating these kind of feelings may turn out to have been disingenuous in the extreme and created them they have.

The Isles of Scilly is such a warm hearted place populated by such lovely people. It might make sense for them to at least re-tweak their message.

You echo exactly what I’ve been saying since lockdown. Living in Devon I’ve heard and seen so many anti tourist messages, the very people the local SW economy relies on.

Scilly is a very special place, we were looking forward to spending 2 or 3 weeks there on our boat. That is now looking extremely unlikely, sadly. There is no right or wrong answer to their situation, I certainly don’t envy whoever has to make that call to open up or not. Can they survive for a whole year to 18 months without any tourists?

 

[JumbleDuck]

Probably not, neither has the UK government, but for any small island community having CV-19 run riot is not good news.

It shouldn't be any worse on small islands than it is anywhere else, which means that the overwhelming majority will get something a bit like a cold, and a very few will need hospital treatment, which is what ferries and ambulances were invented for. We aren't talking the Red Death or Ebola here.

They haven’t found a vaccine for Aids so don’t hold your breath.

True, but they have found PrEP (Pre-exposure prophylaxis) which very effectively prevents transmission.

 

[LittleSister]

One can only sympathise with small island communities striving to keep this wretched virus at bay.

I can also sympathise with big city and market town communities striving etc. . . .

It shouldn't be any worse on small islands than it is anywhere else, which means that the overwhelming majority will get something a bit like a cold, and a very few will need hospital treatment, which is what ferries and ambulances were invented for. We aren't talking the Red Death or Ebola here.

 

[Stemar]

There's a big difference between the way HIV works and Coronavirus does, which makes HIV next to impossible to create a vaccine for, though they're still trying. CV is like most other viruses, the antigens are available for antibodies to attack so, while there's no guarantee, there's no reason to believe it'll be more difficult to make a vaccine for than, say, measles.

 

[owen]

hopefully this will happen. But the problem with cv19 in keeping with other "cold" type viruses and others is that they mutate. CV19 has a large number of mutations already some less aggressive and some more. You may get a vaccine to one mutation and then another one pops up and affects the population..

 

[FlyingGoose]

I have created the free State of Laburnum Street ,the locals . well me and a few oldies have barricaded the street entrance and as we live right on a local reserve, the dogs walkers that pass by are in their millions, so we have banned them with certain death if they do not comply,
Yes I Could stay in my house but my two savage dogs are going nuts trying to get out and savage the little white pooches, and my hedge has half been destroyed by their pissing on it , not the walkers ofc , but there dogs
We have moved to inserting chips into the forehead of those that can pass and be scanned . the oldies are doing great , some old war time relics coming out, we are the modern dads army , bring it on you middle class , dog walkers with your designer pooches we are ready for you . Freedom ya Bass , If the Isle of Arran can do it so can we,

Yup day 60+ days something in lockdown and I HAVE WENT OVER THE EDGE

 

[Scillypete]

One can only sympathise with small island communities striving to keep this wretched virus at bay. And if a vaccine proves to be just around the corner, then they have reason to be proud.

There are however other outcomes, such as where a safe vaccine drags, and where countries like France carefully reopen to tourism at a lower price point for similar services. Under such a scenario UK islanders and other rural communities may come to rue the aggressive language, or even the association therewith, which has been deployed by some counties against their fellow countrymen.

The trouble is that even comical allusions to pitchforks and suchlike (BTW 100% sure ScillyPete made this comment 100% in jest) may ultimately be conflated with the intemperate and sometimes abusive tone adopted by the likes of Devon County Council.

A tone which is fine if the intention is to tell those pesky Londoners and such like to **** off once and for all. If however they are counting on the return of tourism when times are better, then they may expect a similar response from the metropolitan tourists. A response shouted even louder should they come asking for increased regional subsidies. Creating these kind of feelings may turn out to have been disingenuous in the extreme and created them they have.

The Isles of Scilly is such a warm hearted place populated by such lovely people. It might make sense for them to at least re-tweak their message.

nail on head. . . . . . . Some people are showing a not so nice side to their nature

 

[[70521]]

It shouldn't be any worse on small islands than it is anywhere else, which means that the overwhelming majority will get something a bit like a cold, and a very few will need hospital treatment, which is what ferries and ambulances were invented for. We aren't talking the Red Death or Ebola here.

Do I understand that you have not lived on a small island?

Having had three friends who have gone down with CV-19 and symptoms as different to an annoying cough to almost hospitalisation. Why run the risk? Islands have small populations and everybody is reliant on everybody else for the community to function.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Do I understand that you have not lived on a small island?

Correct. I live in a village of twelve houses in rural Galloway.

Having had three friends who have gone down with CV-19 and symptoms as different to an annoying cough to almost hospitalisation. Why run the risk? Islands have small populations and everybody is reliant on everybody else for the community to function.

A small number of people on an island is no likely to be worse affected than a small number of people in a Galloway village or a small number of people in a city. It'll get to you eventually.

 

[Stemar]

It'll get to you eventually.

Unfortunately, without a vaccine, this is true. The only alternative is herd immunity, which means 60+% of the population getting it, In the UK, some 30 million more than have had it already. It's reasonable to expect something of the order of 1/4 million deaths on the basis of a 1% mortality and a couple of million at least in hospital (very rounded figures! ) The trick is to manage this so the NHS can cope.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Unfortunately, without a vaccine, this is true. The only alternative is herd immunity, which means 60+% of the population getting it, In the UK, some 30 million more than have had it already. It's reasonable to expect something of the order of 1/4 million deaths on the basis of a 1% mortality and a couple of million at least in hospital (very rounded figures! ) The trick is to manage this so the NHS can cope.

It seems possible that up to 19m people in the UK have already had CV, in which case we have at worst another 100,000 deaths to go, assuming 50,000 so far. However, the rate of infection will slow down as more and more people get it, treatment will improve and we might (possibly) be running out of particularly vulnerable people, so my money is on another 50,000 over the next year.

As you say, we just have to make sure the NHS can continue to cope.

 

[rib]

Any ways. Ios peeps can last for years their all loadedn

 

[longjohnsilver]

Any ways. Ios peeps can last for years their all loadedn

???

 

[FlyingGoose]

Anyways lots of people can last for years , as their all loaded (many residents have lots of money and can survive without us mere mortals visiting their land so they do not needs us )