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Deleted User YDKXO
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Shame. I'm not going to need quiet and peaceful, quite the opposite in fact
I paid €1.54 at SACIRN back in April but I guess the price has crept up a bit since then but as you say so has the x-rate
Sardinia Summer 2015
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Shame. I'm not going to need quiet and peaceful, quite the opposite in fact
I paid €1.54 at SACIRN back in April but I guess the price has crept up a bit since then but as you say so has the x-rate
MYAG
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Thanks to both but don't think I'll bother trying the fishing harbour so Calasetta it is, Giuseppe also confirmed its the new fuel dock of choice.
Hurricane
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Are you out here yet.
Don't leave CF without me dropping your ropes off.
We've been having problems with our ice maker.
Working through it right now.
Tomorrow (Thursday) we are popping over to Giuseppe's yard to load our new anchor chain.
Maybe we will see you after.
MYAG
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..........and very nice chain it looks too! This is becoming a considerable engineering job/upgrade, well worth its own thread imho. I say that because I think many on here might also consider or have considered the upgrade. From what I have seen many motorboats 50-80ft are woefully under spec'd in the anchoring tackle department. British builders are particularly guilty of this. I think that's because most builders think they can get away with it as many owners don't use the tackle in anger that often.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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A bit harsh as the Italian builders are just as guilty. As soon as I bought my current boat, I chucked away the 30kg Bruce that was fitted as standard by Ferretti and replaced it with a 60kg Delta and this season I added another 25m of chain. On previous Ferrettis I've chucked away the chain as well as the anchor and upgraded both. Yes the builders get away with it because most owners only use their anchors for lunchtime stops but IMHO thats no excuse. What does it save them? A few hundred quid at most. I'm surprised that the RCD classification system doesn't have anything to say about this. My Ferretti (as are all Ferrettis) is classed as A Ocean category yet Ferretti are allowed to get away with fitting anchors and chains which are only really suitable for inshore dayboats
I was very impressed with your chain stopper system and I shall be very interested to see what Hurricane does with his existing bow roller. The only thing thats stopping me snub my anchor as hard as you do is the fear of pulling the winch out of the deck
Hurricane
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Yep - this upgrade is a step by step process.
The plan has/is to install longer and heavier chain.
Being in Italy, we had a good price for some 12mm chain so we bought 150m now.
Also bought a gipsy for our existing V4 windlass.
These two parts arrived a couple of days ago so we popped over to the shipyard this morning and loaded it all.
For the moment, the plan is to try it on our old 40kg Delta but I suspect that will change later.
The big expense is the windlass itself so to give it a chance, we will be fitting a Lewmar chain stopper.
I'm hoping this will be an easy process.
When we get home to Spain, I will unscrew the existing deck top protection s/s plate and have a new (wider one) fabricated.
At the same time, I will have a substantial plate made for under the deck.
From memory, the deck is about 3 or 4 inches thick and has the mooring cleats already bolted to it.
So, the plan is to bolt a Lewmar chain stopper to the new s/s deck top protection plate with bolts going through the deck to the new underside plate inside the chain locker.
This is the Lewmar Chain Stopper I am planning to use
And this is a pic of our current deck layout.
(Sorry - old photo - already on Photobucket)
The plan has/is to install longer and heavier chain.
Being in Italy, we had a good price for some 12mm chain so we bought 150m now.
Also bought a gipsy for our existing V4 windlass.
These two parts arrived a couple of days ago so we popped over to the shipyard this morning and loaded it all.
For the moment, the plan is to try it on our old 40kg Delta but I suspect that will change later.
The big expense is the windlass itself so to give it a chance, we will be fitting a Lewmar chain stopper.
I'm hoping this will be an easy process.
When we get home to Spain, I will unscrew the existing deck top protection s/s plate and have a new (wider one) fabricated.
At the same time, I will have a substantial plate made for under the deck.
From memory, the deck is about 3 or 4 inches thick and has the mooring cleats already bolted to it.
So, the plan is to bolt a Lewmar chain stopper to the new s/s deck top protection plate with bolts going through the deck to the new underside plate inside the chain locker.
This is the Lewmar Chain Stopper I am planning to use
And this is a pic of our current deck layout.
(Sorry - old photo - already on Photobucket)
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jfm
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Hi Mike
Sounds a nice upgrade. Is there no stopper fitted as std? Are you currently reliant just on the snubber as a stopper?
This project is adding a few hundred kilos to your bow but I guess that is no big deal on JW. It wouldn't worry me if in your shoes
Is the v4 driven by electrics or hydraulics?
Sounds a nice upgrade. Is there no stopper fitted as std? Are you currently reliant just on the snubber as a stopper?
This project is adding a few hundred kilos to your bow but I guess that is no big deal on JW. It wouldn't worry me if in your shoes
Is the v4 driven by electrics or hydraulics?
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Why do you need to do that? Are the bolt centres of the Lewmar stopper wider than the existing plate? Just wondering why you don't just drill 4 holes through the existing plate for the stopper with, say, a timber backing plate underneath
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If H's winch is like my winch it may have a pin controlled by a cam which locks the gypsy and acts as a chain stopper but at least on my winch it looks a bit lightweight and I wouldn't want to apply any shock loading to it as may occur when snubbing the anchor
jfm
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Ah ok. I haven't one of those pin lock types
Incidentally (and jumping around a bit) I just booked 6000litres of fuel in France at €1.24 from one of the big suppliers. That's tax paid, truck delivery. £0.88p to a Brit. Feels like a bargain
Incidentally (and jumping around a bit) I just booked 6000litres of fuel in France at €1.24 from one of the big suppliers. That's tax paid, truck delivery. £0.88p to a Brit. Feels like a bargain
petem
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Hurricane,
Just checking Marine Traffic, and from your "Recent Port Calls", it looks like you've had an interesting day
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http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/details/ships/shipid:194844/mmsi:235071553/imo:0/vessel:JENNYWREN
Pete
Just checking Marine Traffic, and from your "Recent Port Calls", it looks like you've had an interesting day
. http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/details/ships/shipid:194844/mmsi:235071553/imo:0/vessel:JENNYWREN
Pete
Hurricane
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Hurricane,
Just checking Marine Traffic, and from your "Recent Port Calls", it looks like you've had an interesting day
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/details/ships/shipid:194844/mmsi:235071553/imo:0/vessel:JENNYWREN
Pete
Seems that there's no hiding around here.
I will post a report on that one in the next few days - seems you are still interested.
Everywhere we go the swimming just gets better.
Hurricane
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Plate width 80mm
Chain stopper width 88 mm
So it would look horrible.
So, yes you were correct.
Hurricane
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Nop - nothing fitted as standard - hence the snubber.
Yea - yea - yea - electric and undersized - both a problem.
Need to put in a capital request for a bigger winch but since being here in CF, there is even more on the shopping list.
New dinghy etc...
MapisM
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Well, at least you are allowed to sell the red bullet for funding the other items, now that I 've had my chance to give her a try! 
MapisM
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Your pic makes me wonder (because I can't remember exactly how it's done) how difficult it is to remove the other steel plate, the one in front of the flat protection plate, which surrounds the bow roller.
I'm saying this because you might have the new wider plate fabricated exactly to the same width of the bow roller "frame", then remove it, weld the two plates, and polish the welding.
The final result being a single plate from the winch to the bow roller.
Coming to think of it, I can't see the reason why it wasn't made like that directly by the builder...
Edit: being a bit bored tonight, I played with your image a bit, to check how what I just suggested could look like.
And on top of making a lot of sense from a functional standpoint, it's also nicer, imho.
Unless removing the other plate is difficult for some reason, 'cause obviously it would be impossible to weld the new plate in place (the teak would be burnt/damaged).
Just a thought, anyway...
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Hurricane
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That front plate is part of the whole anchor/roller system.
I don't think that welding a plate onto that plate would achieve anything that a simple "bolt through" wouldn't.
My thought is that by fixing the chain (using a chain stopper), I could then use the engines more to manipulate the anchor.
MapisM
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Yup, I see your point, and don't disagree that attaching the stopper to the wider bolt through plate would be enough.
My thought was more along the lines of "as long as you've come this far...."
My thought was more along the lines of "as long as you've come this far...."
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Question for Mapism really. Every time I look at the general weather forecast for Sardinia, the area around CF always seems to be significantly cooler than other parts of Sardinia. For example today http://www.meteo.it/Previsioni-del-tempo/Sardegna/?refresh_ce is forecasting an afternoon temp for today of 28degC around CF but 38degC just around the corner near Teulada and 37degC at Vilasimius
Is this usual and is it because CF is exposed to cooling breezes from every direction or is there some other meteorological factor at work here?
Is this usual and is it because CF is exposed to cooling breezes from every direction or is there some other meteorological factor at work here?
MapisM
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Well, the short answer is yes, I reckon.
I can't say how much science there is behind the popular wisdom, but this is the train of thought I heard from the locals:
S of Sardinia is generally warmer than the N (also - and to some extent even more so - during winter), due to the obvious latitude difference.
Therefore, temperatures well above 30° are quite common in summer, anywhere around S Sardinia.
That said, as you know by now, the prevailing winds are NW first, and SE second.
Now, due to the location of San Pietro island, both these winds flow above the sea before hitting the island - particularly the Mistral, that is usually cooler than the Scirocco.
Otoh, in most other area of S Sardinia, the Mistral flows above inland Sardinia before reaching the coast, and more specifically it flows above an area called "Medio Campidano" that is often extremely hot.
Therefore, also in Cagliari for instance, the Mistral can actually raise the temperature further, instead of cooling it down as it does in CF.
I suppose that on top of that there must be some local factors, related to the fact it's a small island placed in the "corner" of a much bigger island, hence more exposed to breezes, but the previous explanation is the only one I heard from the locals.
Anyway, the bottom line is that the temperatures are quite pleasant, on average.
Just as an additional example, ATM here in Milan we are having an awfully hot and humid weather, far worse than the hotter days that we had in CF recently - and we did have some!
Otoh, in winter we have just about a dozen of degrees less than in CF, almost at all times....
I can't say how much science there is behind the popular wisdom, but this is the train of thought I heard from the locals:
S of Sardinia is generally warmer than the N (also - and to some extent even more so - during winter), due to the obvious latitude difference.
Therefore, temperatures well above 30° are quite common in summer, anywhere around S Sardinia.
That said, as you know by now, the prevailing winds are NW first, and SE second.
Now, due to the location of San Pietro island, both these winds flow above the sea before hitting the island - particularly the Mistral, that is usually cooler than the Scirocco.
Otoh, in most other area of S Sardinia, the Mistral flows above inland Sardinia before reaching the coast, and more specifically it flows above an area called "Medio Campidano" that is often extremely hot.
Therefore, also in Cagliari for instance, the Mistral can actually raise the temperature further, instead of cooling it down as it does in CF.
I suppose that on top of that there must be some local factors, related to the fact it's a small island placed in the "corner" of a much bigger island, hence more exposed to breezes, but the previous explanation is the only one I heard from the locals.
Anyway, the bottom line is that the temperatures are quite pleasant, on average.
Just as an additional example, ATM here in Milan we are having an awfully hot and humid weather, far worse than the hotter days that we had in CF recently - and we did have some!
Otoh, in winter we have just about a dozen of degrees less than in CF, almost at all times....
