Sangria….French yacht

[Wansworth]

SANGRIA 25 (JEANNEAU) - sailboatdata……any thoughts on this vessel

 

[DownWest]

Well. quite a few built and by a good designer. Last built in '82, so a bit old? Condition is all... As you well know. Same designer as the Kelt that is mouldering in my garden.

 

[Wansworth]

Well. quite a few built and by a good designer. Last built in '82, so a bit old? Condition is all... As you well know. Same designer as the Kelt that is mouldering in my garden.

Any boat I can afford is “ mouldearring”

 

[Wansworth]

https://www.milanuncios.com/veleros/jeanneau-sangria-490883637.htm

 

[DownWest]

https://www.milanuncios.com/veleros/jeanneau-sangria-490883637.htm

That link got a blunt no-no..

 

[Wansworth]

That link got a blunt no-no..

why

 

[newtothis]

SANGRIA 25 (JEANNEAU) - sailboatdata……any thoughts on this vessel

Yes: you won't buy it.
Next question?

 

[Buck Turgidson]

go watch the sailing frenchman on YouTube. he took one to the carib.

 

[Wansworth]

Looks more like a Ecume de Mer. same designer though……..it’s a slightly bigger boat

 

[KevinV]

https://www.milanuncios.com/veleros/jeanneau-sangria-490883637.htm

Some boats can be very charming in their ugliness - this isn't one of them

And certainly not for that money - they're having a larf!

 

[LittleSister]

Could be OK. End of season may mean price more negotiable.

Poor ad with v. limited info and not particularly illuminating pics. Ad says Length 9m (=29.5ft) but all the various general Sangria info on the internet says LOA 7.62m (= 25ft) - that's a huge difference! Note also ad says this boat is 1989, but according to one of the reviews Sangias were built were built 1969 to 1982. Tread warily!

Looks tidy on the outside. No sprayhood. Mainsheet in middle of cockpit . Is there a cooker? No hand rails or whatever to hang on to going forward? Almost enough room on foredeck for a sofa.

The engine is of some antiquity. I think it's an old Yanmar (YSE? 8 or 12hp?). On the other hand, one of the reviews below (from earliest years of production?) mentions the poorly regarded Renault Couach engine being an option. Check what it is, how many hp, availability of spares and that it starts and runs well.

Fair bit of info on t'internet. Reports of v. good sailing qualities, but warnings re failing headlinings and a batch of poorly moulded keels.
e.g.
Sangria, the cruising sailboat icon of the seventies.
https://www.jeanneau-owners.com/History/Translated Sangia 1970 review.pdf

 

[Wansworth]

Some boats can be very charming in their ugliness - this isn't one of them

And certainly not for that money - they're having a larf!

Galicia as you probably know is a long way from the main Spanish yachting area the Med there are limited craft available in my budget and it’s the old story of supply and demand and the added cultural problem that so called luxuary goods have a premium…..cars,boats electronics internet all are expensive relative to income

 

[Wansworth]

Could be OK. End of season may mean price more negotiable.

Poor ad with v. limited info and not particularly illuminating pics. Ad says Length 9m (=29.5ft) but all the various general Sangria info on the internet says LOA 7.62m (= 25ft) - that's a huge difference! Note also ad says this boat is 1989, but according to one of the reviews Sangias were built were built 1969 to 1982. Tread warily!

Looks tidy on the outside. No sprayhood. Mainsheet in middle of cockpit . Is there a cooker? No hand rails or whatever to hang on to going forward? Almost enough room on foredeck for a sofa.

The engine is of some antiquity. I think it's an old Yanmar (YSE? 8 or 12hp?). On the other hand, one of the reviews below (from earliest years of production?) mentions the poorly regarded Renault Couach engine being an option. Check what it is, how many hp, availability of spares and that it starts and runs well.

Fair bit of info on t'internet. Reports of v. good sailing qualities, but warnings re failing headlinings and a batch of poorly moulded keels.
e.g.
Sangria, the cruising sailboat icon of the seventies.
https://www.jeanneau-owners.com/History/Translated Sangia 1970 review.pdf

YesIam afraid it’s just another old boat that the owner knows any real facts hoping to sell to another new sailer,on our next trip to IKEA we will stop and have a look,but thanks for info…..we are running out of options in our price bracket

 

[Baggywrinkle]

I've got this mouldering in my garden, perhaps you need to compromise on your requirements?



.... I bought the hull, with centerboard and rudder last week for €80 as the rig has been sitting in my garden shed for a good few years. .... they can be had complete for a few hundred euros

... but joking aside, maybe you should be looking at a large trailer sailer? .... or at least a boat with a trailer - you could then look all over Europe and restore and sell the trailer once you got it home to recoup some of the money.

 

[Wansworth]

I've got this mouldering in my garden, perhaps you need to compromise on your requirements?

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.... I bought the hull, with centerboard and rudder last week for €80 as the rig has been sitting in my garden shed for a good few years. .... they can be had complete for a few hundred euros

... but joking aside, maybe you should be looking at a large trailer sailer? .... or at least a boat with a trailer - you could then look all over Europe and restore and sell the trailer once you got it home to recoup some of the money.

Thanks for the idea…….

 

[Frogmogman]

Looks more like a Ecume de Mer. same designer though……..it’s a slightly bigger boat

Er, no. The écume de mer was designed by JM Finot, the Sangria was the work of Philippe Harle. DownWest’s Kelt was indeed one of his.

The clue is in the name. Most of the French boats named after booze were designed by him. Harle is something of a legend in France. Having started out as an instructor at the Glenans sailing school, he went on to design over 200 boats, starting with the Muscadet, which did so much to democratize offshore sailing in France. His boats tend to sail well.

To Kevin V, I would say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The Sangria may not be the prettiest boat ever, but I certainly wouldn’t describe it as ugly.

 

[Wansworth]

Er, no. The écume de mer was designed by JM Finot, the Sangria was the work of Philippe Harle. DownWest’s Kelt was indeed one of his.

The clue is in the name. Most of the French boats named after booze were designed by him. Harle is something of a legend in France. Having started out as an instructor at the Glenans sailing school, he went on to design over 200 boats, starting with the Muscadet, which did so much to democratize offshore sailing in France. His boats tend to sail well.

To Kevin V, I would say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The Sangria may not be the prettiest boat ever, but I certainly wouldn’t describe it as ugly.

Thanks.was referinh to the yuotube video of the Frenchman

 

[Roberto]

The écume de mer was designed by JM Finot, the Sangria was the work of Philippe Harle. DownWest’s Kelt was indeed one of his.

Most of these small to medium size French models built during the '80s (Sangria, Attalia, Fantasia, etc etc) have often been sailed to very distant places, nearby my port there are a few having been from Iceland/Arctic circle to South America (I met two in French Guyana); true the sailor inside counts a lot but as 25'-35' boats they are capable of nice passages.

 

[Wansworth]

Most of these small to medium size French models built during the '80s (Sangria, Attalia, Fantasia, etc etc) have often been sailed to very distant places, nearby my port there are a few having been from Iceland/Arctic circle to South America (I met two in French Guyana); true the sailor inside counts a lot but as 25'-35' boats they are capable of nice passages.

Thanks

 

[Wansworth]

Could be OK. End of season may mean price more negotiable.

Poor ad with v. limited info and not particularly illuminating pics. Ad says Length 9m (=29.5ft) but all the various general Sangria info on the internet says LOA 7.62m (= 25ft) - that's a huge difference! Note also ad says this boat is 1989, but according to one of the reviews Sangias were built were built 1969 to 1982. Tread warily!

Looks tidy on the outside. No sprayhood. Mainsheet in middle of cockpit . Is there a cooker? No hand rails or whatever to hang on to going forward? Almost enough room on foredeck for a sofa.

The engine is of some antiquity. I think it's an old Yanmar (YSE? 8 or 12hp?). On the other hand, one of the reviews below (from earliest years of production?) mentions the poorly regarded Renault Couach engine being an option. Check what it is, how many hp, availability of spares and that it starts and runs well.

Fair bit of info on t'internet. Reports of v. good sailing qualities, but warnings re failing headlinings and a batch of poorly moulded keels.
e.g.
Sangria, the cruising sailboat icon of the seventies.
https://www.jeanneau-owners.com/History/Translated Sangia 1970 review.pdf

According to the owner it’s a 8kw Yamaha……..are there spares for that engine?