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Re: \"Sails full and by(e)\" ..definition?
Methinks the American term "giving head" don't quite mean the same thing!
Methinks the American term "giving head" don't quite mean the same thing!
ccscott49
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Re: \"Sails full and by(e)\" ..definition?
Is this similar to "ee by gum" as Haydn has been known to say on occasion!
Is this similar to "ee by gum" as Haydn has been known to say on occasion!
phanakapan
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Re: Nautical words
My boyfreind and I were too embarrassed to use nautical terminology when we first started sailing- too posey for us, we thought. We soon learned better after shouted sessions of "my right or your right-oh s%%t - "(crash).
My boyfreind and I were too embarrassed to use nautical terminology when we first started sailing- too posey for us, we thought. We soon learned better after shouted sessions of "my right or your right-oh s%%t - "(crash).
ccscott49
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Re: You/re right, but...
Why do you call your boat a "cutter" instead of boat with two flappy things at the pointy end? Is it because it's a succinct description or the correct terminolgy? I just wondered.
Why do you call your boat a "cutter" instead of boat with two flappy things at the pointy end? Is it because it's a succinct description or the correct terminolgy? I just wondered.
Viking
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Re: Nautical words
Lets keep the Nautical language we all 'seem' to love.
Keep 'Plain English' were its needed 'HMSS'
Or we will have to start change ALL similar 'teamiologies'. Cricket for example redescrible 'Silly mid-off' - 'square leg' - 'cover point' - 'a duck'
Lets keep the Nautical language we all 'seem' to love.
Keep 'Plain English' were its needed 'HMSS'
Or we will have to start change ALL similar 'teamiologies'. Cricket for example redescrible 'Silly mid-off' - 'square leg' - 'cover point' - 'a duck'
PhilipStapleton
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Re: Parking
Is there a generic nautical term covering berthing, anchoring, mooring to a bouy, mooring to piles (if that is what you do to piles) or does Parking have to cover it?
Is there a generic nautical term covering berthing, anchoring, mooring to a bouy, mooring to piles (if that is what you do to piles) or does Parking have to cover it?
pugwash
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Re: Parking
No, I don't think so. If you need a generic term I guess "parking" it has to be. But why would you need it?
No, I don't think so. If you need a generic term I guess "parking" it has to be. But why would you need it?
pugwash
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Re: \"Cat\"
My 1867 sailors' word book has a heap of "cats" from a cat being a ship on the Norwegian model usually in the coal or timber trades, to cat-beam, cat-holes, cat-lap (weak tea), cat's skin (variation of cat's paw breeze) and catting (seasickness). Most relate to "catting" the anchor. I can send you the technical definitions if you wish. eg: cat-fall is thge rope rove for the cat-purchase by which the anchor is raised to the cat-head, or catted. Miaow!
My 1867 sailors' word book has a heap of "cats" from a cat being a ship on the Norwegian model usually in the coal or timber trades, to cat-beam, cat-holes, cat-lap (weak tea), cat's skin (variation of cat's paw breeze) and catting (seasickness). Most relate to "catting" the anchor. I can send you the technical definitions if you wish. eg: cat-fall is thge rope rove for the cat-purchase by which the anchor is raised to the cat-head, or catted. Miaow!
halcyon
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Re: Parking
Not underway ?
Brian
Not underway ?
Brian
pugwash
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Re: Parking
Wouldn't say so -- under way is the opposite of all those anchoring, mooring, tying up acitivities mentioned by Philip.
Wouldn't say so -- under way is the opposite of all those anchoring, mooring, tying up acitivities mentioned by Philip.
halcyon
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Re: Parking
If you are not underway you are attached to dry land or the sea bed, there moored, anchored, tied up to bouy or pontoon or pile.
Brian
If you are not underway you are attached to dry land or the sea bed, there moored, anchored, tied up to bouy or pontoon or pile.
Brian
pugwash
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Re: Parking
Ah, sorry, got you wrong. I thought you were saying Why not underway? You're right up to a point. Strictly speaking, under way suggests motion. You could be unattached to anything and stopped. I think a ship that is hove-to is technically not under way, though this is a moot point. I wonder what the collision rules say about that?
Ah, sorry, got you wrong. I thought you were saying Why not underway? You're right up to a point. Strictly speaking, under way suggests motion. You could be unattached to anything and stopped. I think a ship that is hove-to is technically not under way, though this is a moot point. I wonder what the collision rules say about that?
halcyon
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Re: Parking
Going back to the depths of my yachtmaster theory, underway is only not attached to seabed or fixed object , does not imply movement.
Brian
Going back to the depths of my yachtmaster theory, underway is only not attached to seabed or fixed object , does not imply movement.
Brian
pugwash
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Re: Parking
Well, at risk of being seen as an old pedant, under weigh means not attached to the seabed in any shape or form while under way implies motion. Said Admiral W H Smyth in 1867: "A ship is under weigh when she has weighed her anchor: she may be with or without canvas, or hove-to. As soon as she gathers motion she is under way." However, the book of words also says this distinction is "a moot point among old seamen." So I won't argue the toss except to say -- returning to the original point -- that if you told me your yacht was "not under way" I would assume she was stopped and not that she was "parked" (ie, moored or anchored). In this context I think the old way is right.
Well, at risk of being seen as an old pedant, under weigh means not attached to the seabed in any shape or form while under way implies motion. Said Admiral W H Smyth in 1867: "A ship is under weigh when she has weighed her anchor: she may be with or without canvas, or hove-to. As soon as she gathers motion she is under way." However, the book of words also says this distinction is "a moot point among old seamen." So I won't argue the toss except to say -- returning to the original point -- that if you told me your yacht was "not under way" I would assume she was stopped and not that she was "parked" (ie, moored or anchored). In this context I think the old way is right.
Dominic_Byers
Member
Re: Parking
Agreed...
"Underway" means not moored to land or seabed.
The distinction between whether a vessel "underway" is moving or not moving is made by using the terminology, "making way" or "not making way"
Agreed...
"Underway" means not moored to land or seabed.
The distinction between whether a vessel "underway" is moving or not moving is made by using the terminology, "making way" or "not making way"
bedouin
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Re: Parking
IIRC a boat that is aground is not underway.
IIRC a boat that is aground is not underway.
peterb
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Underway
That's easy. Rule 3(i): The word "underway" means that a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.
Elsewhere (as in Rule 26(c)(iii)) the words "when making way through the water" are used to indicate movement.
So in general terms a vessel can be "not underway", or "underway but not making way", or "underway and making way"
That's easy. Rule 3(i): The word "underway" means that a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.
Elsewhere (as in Rule 26(c)(iii)) the words "when making way through the water" are used to indicate movement.
So in general terms a vessel can be "not underway", or "underway but not making way", or "underway and making way"
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Re: Parking
An interesting example from pugwash of the very evolution of words that has been mentioned. "Under weigh" has become "under way". And no less an authority than our dearly beloved IRPCS uses it!
Incidentally, the generic term for all the mentioned activities is "mooring".
"If a job's worth doing...it's worth paying someone to do it for you!"
An interesting example from pugwash of the very evolution of words that has been mentioned. "Under weigh" has become "under way". And no less an authority than our dearly beloved IRPCS uses it!
Incidentally, the generic term for all the mentioned activities is "mooring".
"If a job's worth doing...it's worth paying someone to do it for you!"