Safety at sea for women .....

[janeK]

What type of security measures does any female take to ensure that fighting off the tide and wind is the only aspect a female crew member has to do whilst on board?

This is of course relating to unwelcome and unexpected advances - Any good advice to share?

This is not written in jest but a serious subject.

 

[bilbobaggins]

Oi, Jane! I cry foul!

When you invited me along to Falmouth some time back, there was an ( almost ) all-girlie crew on board, and I was roundly abused for almost the whole weekend. The stereotyping language, gender innuendo, and non-stop suggestive quips quite had me blushing and squirming with embarrassment.

As well as laughing my socks off for the whole weekend.....

When are we having a re-match....?

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ps you could always padlock yourself into your bulletproof Mustos for the duration....

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[albineer]

I'd have thought that carefully choosing who you sail with is a big part of the solution (avoid unreconstructed hobbits for a start /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ). I'd expect my daughter (nearly thirty) would check carefully before going on a yacht with a bunch of people she didn't know, perhaps go with a friend, definitely establish the groud rules, sleeping arrangements,ablutions etc.

It's made me think of what my obligations would be if I skippered with new acquaintances as crew. I'd certainly take steps to get to know something about them first.
HTH
BG

 

[bilbobaggins]

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I'd certainly take steps to get to know something about them first.

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For your information, mush, I's an 'Ouse Elf! Doan' touch wot you can't afford.....

As for JaneBabee, and gettin' to know sumpin' - whatd'ya wanna know? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

...But you'll need a bigger boatie than a wee Albin25!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[janeK]

with regard to your last post:
I thought it was jolly well time we improved the standard of english used on this thread I have therefore provided a few tips for you all to consider when composing your next posting:

- Avoid alliteration. Always.
- Never use a long word when a diminutive one will do.
- Employ the vernacular.
- Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc.
- Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are unnecessary.
- Remember to never split an infinitive.
- Contractions aren't necessary.
- Foreign words and phrases are not apropos.
- One should never generalize.
- Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations. Tell me what you know."
- Comparisons are as bad as cliches.
- Don't be redundant; don't use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous.
- Be more or less specific.
- Understatement is always best.
- One-word sentences? Eliminate.
- Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.
- The passive voice is to be avoided.
- Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.
- Even if a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
- Who needs rhetorical questions?
- Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.
- Don't never use a double negation.
- capitalize every sentence and remember always end it with point
- Do not put statements in the negative form.
- Verbs have to agree with their subjects.
- Proofread carefully to see if you words out.
- If you reread your work, you can find on rereading a great deal of
- repetition can be avoided by rereading and editing.
- A writer must not shift your point of view.
- And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. (Remember, too, a preposition is a terrible word to end a sentence with.)
- Don't overuse exclamation marks!!
- Place pronouns as close as possible, especially in long sentences, as of 10 or more words, to their antecedents.

 

[Steve Clayton]

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..relating to unwelcome and unexpected advances - Any good advice to share?

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Drop in the odd comment such as the antibiotics for your itching "down below" don't seem to be working or make reference to the fact that the crabs seem to have cleared up might help /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

www.seraph-sailing.com

 

[marilynch]

Drink Stella! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[GazzaUK]

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..relating to unwelcome and unexpected advances - Any good advice to share?

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Drop in the odd comment such as the antibiotics for your itching "down below" don't seem to be working or make reference to the fact that the crabs seem to have cleared up might help /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

www.seraph-sailing.com

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[Bajansailor]

About 25 years ago, two female crew on board the yacht 'Apolonia' (correct spelling?) sailing across the Atlantic to the Windies fought off the tide and the wind and murdered the skipper and chucked his body overboard, allegedly for the reasons mentioned - they had a lot of explaining to do when they eventually arrived here, and I am not sure what the final outcome was.
Food for thought though, re how people get on with each other on a long ocean passage.

 

[bilbobaggins]

Maybe this is the sort of solution you seek.....

Me? I'd rather sail single-handed.....

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[Oen]

Bil,

Please promise me never, ever, no matter how dark the night or how high the seas, to say where you got that photograph from - and especially, I don't want to know if it's one from your already-established 'private collection'.

I think we all need more time bouncing around in the waves, and less wasting our lives away on dry land!

 

[powerskipper]

establish the ground rule early on, if need be in a very blunt tactful way, make jokes like where's my cabin and does it have a lock as I hate sleep walkers, talk loads about family and husband, boyfriend, and ask them about theirs. if need be talk about a "friend" who cheated on there spouse and how wrong you think it is, or how you don't believe in casual sex.

if non of the above works , jump ship fast. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Nat]

Have a meet/meal/drink prior to sailing & maybe get name of previous crew member to check out. Its not hard to sus out a wrong un.
I always meet up with crewmembers for my spanish jaunts beforehand . Nothing worse than being on a boat with a nuisance or someone prone to hysterics in a bit of weather.

 

[Oen]

On a serious note,

I'm fortunate to have sailed with lots of female crew, many of them very eligible, and this 'safety at sea - for women' issue has not (to my knowledge - tell me different if you need to Jane!) been a problem on my boat.

In fact, one of the wonderful things that has happened has been a real bonding of crew members, of both sexes, on some cruises, and the joyous thing is that it's been very much more like brothers and sisters than anything else. And all the more delightful for it!

That said, being used to working in the potentially highly-charged world of flight deck and cabin crew, and knowing what misery ensues when there's inappropriate behaviour, I am careful to see that no mischief is committed.

That said, we do all need to have a laugh, and I suppose it's inevitable that on occasion there will be situations in which one person's attempt at innocent humour may be misconstrued, especially in the confines of a yacht.

Any problems, confide in the skipper and get it sorted out. Problems with the skipper, get another crew member to have a word. If you're skippering a yacht you should be able to manage your crew - and your own behaviour!

 

[bilbobaggins]

"Unpick your lock, nonny-nonny. Unpick your lock....! "

Chastity Belt Song here!


The power of the i/net unleashed....

Perhaps nearly as stylish as a certain Lycra drysuit I noticed on the water the other day.....

Hee! Hee!

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[Oen]

But warm and cosy, Bil, warm and cosy!

(And it wasn't lycra!!!!!)

 

[bilbobaggins]

Now that we've hijacked this Fred rather far from JaneK's concerns about 'things that go bump in the night', maybe the answer one ought to consider is sailing on a catamaran - and setting mousetraps!

Or day-racing on Dragons.....

Or foiling on a Moth....


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[janeK]

"Now that we've hijacked this Fred rather far from JaneK's concerns about 'things that go bump in the night', "

oh so you have realised at last..............

Now can we get back to the original subject ?

 

[BrendanS]

Jane, the tips would be very much the same as for a woman in any other vulnerable situation. I'm not sure that sailing is much different, other than being in enclosed environment for extended periods if you are going blue water cruising.

 

[Oen]

Jane,

So sorry! I tried to tackle it with my 'serious note' above...

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