Sadler 25 Foresail Dimensions

[Ceirwan]

This is a long shot, but I've been searching the web for a while now to no avail.

Does anyone know the dimensions of the foresails that the Sadler 25 came with? I've already got a NO1 (which is a furler) and a storm jib, but I'm after the dimensions for the No 2, No 3 and Working Jib if at all possible.
I signed up the owners forum a week or so ago, but I assume its infrequently moderated as my request to join has yet to be approved.
I'm hoping theres an owner on here that's already got the figures lying around somewhere.

 

[wilkinsonsails]

Have a sail plan,can give you sail dims on Monday?
Cindy

 

[Ceirwan]

That'd be great!
I believe my boat has has the smaller rig as its one of the earlier one built, but I'm dropping the mast tomorrow so I can measure it then.

 

[William_H]

Strange OP should want precise dimensions for the originbal sails. I don't think it matters very much. Obviously the length of the forestay will dictate the max luff lenght.
Smaller sails for stronger winds will be a smaller area. if you want a blade type jib ie with long luff and shorter foot This will perhaps be more efficent on the wind but may be difficult to manage the leach tension and would require sheeting points to be moved forward. A more conventional shaped jib ie shorter on the foot and luff can reduce centre of pressure being lower and may not require the sheeting point to more or at least not so much. Thus your no 2 and no 3 jibs can be sized according to your requirements. If you are racing you might want sails a bit closer spaced while for cruising you might go to a much smaller no 3. or even to a number 4.
The name "working jib" I find a bit unknown. I assume it is a medium size that one tends to use most in medium airs. ie not for drifter conditions and not for strong winds. So to me a bit meaningless.
I wonder if your question is just curiosity or do you really intend to buy and use thse smaller jibs. I am one who thinks hank on individual jibs best but with few exceptions I seem lately to just put on no 3 for racing. (middle of the season here) becuase winds are in the 15+ knots range. good luck olewill

 

[Ceirwan]

Not strange at all.
I'm not buying new, I shall be trying to get some reasonable condition used sails. But I don't have enough knowledge about sail construction to really decide for myself. I could probably make an informed guess by looking at my existing sails, but if original figures exist I'd rather use those.

The working jib is the last sail before changing down to the storm jib. As the Sadler 25 is a masthead rig, even when its a blowing a good bit, theres often still some overlap on the foresail as the mainsail is tiny.

When cruising I seem to use the No2 for most stuff (unless the wind is very light) and drop straight from there to the working jib. (Although this was a previous boat), if I can find out the original dimensions I might end up going for something in the middle. The last thing I need is to spend money on sails and find I've messed up somewhere and they're unsuitable.

 

[Hydrozoan]

Some data here: http://www.mikelucasyachting.co.uk/sadler-starlight-boats/articles/sadler-starlight-data.pdf

 

[Ceirwan]

Unfortunately the Sadler 25 gets left off of all those lifts. I know its similar to the 26, but I don't know how much so, I think the mast height was different.

 

[Hydrozoan]

Unfortunately the Sadler 25 gets left off of all those lifts. I know its similar to the 26, but I don't know how much so, I think the mast height was different.

Sorry - probably mistook 26 for 25 on quick eyeball. :apologetic:

 

[Hydrozoan]

I did a quick search on the Sadler technical forum but could not find any relevant data. If you are having problems registering to ask the questions there, you could of course try an email to the main site webmaster - see here: http://www.sadlerandstarlight.co.uk/contact. You've probably already seen this article http://www.eclipse.co.uk/~su6918/brochure/25.htm, which seems, as far as I can see, to give a few more details than the similar brochure on the Mike Lucas site. Sorry to have been more of a hindrance than a help earlier!

 

[Ceirwan]

Thanks!
Hopefully wilkinson sails will find out on monday. If not I'll measure up my number and guestimate it from there.

 

[billybiltong]

H I,
Have a look at this site you just have to put the make of your boat into the search and it does the rest for you. getting on the Sadler website is a nightmare. I re-emailed the moderator and eventually got log on to the site.

I have had my sails from Banks all hanked on
No 1 Genoa Luff 9.06m; Foot 4.62m; Leech 8.78
No 2 Jib Luff 8.30; Foot 3.20; Leech 6.75
Hope this is helpful

 

[Ceirwan]

Fantastic! Just what I was looking for.
Do you have the post 1979 boat with laminated interior and the taller rig, or the older one with the 2 foot shorter rig? (As mine is)

I also just found an old brochure while digging through my paperwork, and while it doesn't list the lengths of luff and foot, it does list the area.

No1 232 sq. feet.
No 2 190sq. feet.
No3 147sq. feet.
Storm Jib No 4. 45sq. feet.

 

[Neil]

I just recently replaced my furling genoa and Crusader quoted me for a Sadler 25 Mark 2 of 1975 vintage. The mainsail luff was 7.62 which was correct so I'm guessing it's the lower rig, though I'd always understood the boat to be 1980's vintage. I inherited bags and bags of sails when I bought the boat, and some of the foresails are in excellent condition, though I've no idea of what's what.

 

[Ceirwan]

My boat is 1979, although the only thing I have to go on for that is the slip of paper that came from the Marina when I bought her. Since I can't find a builders plate anywhere on her I have a suspicion they pulled that number out of nowhere because they needed a date.

I don't have GRP mouldings inside, but the finish is definitely factory quality. The port side seat as you go down the companionway is completely square to the aft end of the cabin, whereas I believe the newer ones had it come out at an angle to the right to gain more bunk space when the tables down.
Also my tiller doesn't pivot upwards, which is a bugger for getting in the stern locker. (Will be fixing that this winter!

Theres no chance you're interested in selling any of those old sails Neil?

 

[Neil]

I do seem to have internal mouldings (the base of the seats, the ceiling, base of the fore cabin berths) but I don't know if this constitutes the later post-1980 interior. Like yourself, I think the date of 1980 that I was given was pulled out of a hat. But if I have a later interior but the lower rig, where does that leave me?

As to selling the sails, I have no plans for them, but I don't know what I've got........

 

[Ceirwan]

I'll PM you Neil.

Yours sounds like a later one then, but information is pretty scant. It wouldn't surprise me if they're a mish mash of parts. Mike Lucas gives plenty of info for the 26, but the 25 not so much. They always list a MKII and a MKIII rig, what happened to the MK1!?