S37 from the Med

more on pricing of this boat

I just realised, it has no genny Genny is like aircon, this boat is unsaleable in the Med without genny, unless well dicounted. You need genny to run aircon if away from shorepower. Would need to be 6.5kw and that would be €6k ish fitted. So you need to be in the very low 140s, top price, imho. And your blather to the broker -if the boat is very tidy -is that it's mebbe a 155k boat but it needs air, genny, lectronix, which is best part €20k, so a 140 offer is generous.

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gimee that steering wheel!...

imho best option is to head to mainland coast, and then north along the coast. This way you stay inside the Oi! range of the ibiza dealer for as long as poss, and then get inside mobile phone range of those nice helpful wonderful spanish boat dealers as soon as poss, and one or tother will praps come out and help a bit if the boat decides to throw a wobbly or the hardly-used boat has a fit. Cos ch 16 is a bit useless in spain and no rnli or seastart. If it goes really well, turn north as coast approaches.

Heading out to majorca is unfortunately a rather shite idea imho, cos more and more out into open med sea. Aiming for pollensa also a bit no-no with not-nice prevailing tramonatana onshore wind onto the blimmin rock face of majorca north coast with unknown boat and anyway not much cop in pollensa unless you want to rent a cheap flat several hours drive from palma airport and/or proper boatfixing places near palma. Worse, majorca is even further from a (movable) lorry on the mainland, so we wd look a bit (lot) of a tit if the trip had to be abandoned there, innit?

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Re: more on pricing of this boat

yes agreed. I would be a bit cheesed off that the original offer was accepted so quick and Learner will have a total fit .

I think you can have the job of temporary ship's purser. I have unfortunately fired you from the transcontinental strategic navigation commitee in post below, sorry.

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Re: gimee that steering wheel!...

Ummm right yes you're showing off becos about to be a yotmaster (all that lee shore stuff....)

I was only giving all the permutations/distances becos I had the charts and move the cursor about, not recommending a particular transglobal intercontinental strategy. OK, so I did miss the lee shore bit.

Actually I haven't a b clue what a purser on a ship or plane does. Hold the purse? So perhaps a junior apprentice role, speaking only when spoken to, on the global management committee might be possible? Remember, I do have the charts in my purser's safe (even if I can't readem)

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Re: more on pricing of this boat

Absolutely , anyone might think he actually wants to buy it!! Also all the quotes I had for Genny plus AC plus C/Plotter were in region of €25k, so knock another 5 off !!... and that was an easy run 2 outlet AC similar size boat.



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Re: YM?

I don't think the YM course is any use here. You wd only fail cos not rulery compass things on paper map writtten in 2B pencil. There are no questions such as "your boat stops dead, now what eh? eh?". It is all about proceeding to falmouth at 9:37 on the morning of June 13th on the YM course.

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Re: YM?

Or, you are doing 40 knots in a shipping lane with a beer in one hand and you want to shake a nutter off you ski bob in tow, what is the most effective measure???

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Re: more on pricing of this boat

I have had all the documentation faxed over today, original invoice, last service bill and its German regisitration Certificate,, and guess what, its actually a 1999 boat. Found out on the documentation (all in German) that it was a Sealine Show boat for the Barcelona Boat show in Dec. 1998. It was delivered to the owner after that.

Have the hull and engine numbers, so things are checking out so far.

Keep the advice comming you guys - I'm getting nervous.

Rob

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where to keep this baby?

Sounds good. When you flying down?

Why not buy it and keep in med for a bit. You can sail it in great weather till end october or mebbe more. Sea warm enuf to swim in till mid october easily. Flights dead cheap. Berths available thru winter. You might decide that Med is better than Solent. The money saved on lorry will almost pay aircon and gen, and David has a two step aircon install plan on his S37 that saves money.

Twud be a shame to buy a med boat, truck it to uk, then think praps would have been better in med all along. And if you do decide you dont like med, truck it to UK as a return load next May when all the boat trucking is southwards and the sealine, fairline, sseeker lorries go back to UK empty.

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Re: more on pricing of this boat

I'm assuming it is first owner boat. If not you will need all Bills ofSsale for UK part 1 registration ....unless you are paying cash (ie No marine finance), but all of this unlikely as presumably Sealine know boat and have provided full history, and you can just go for the simple registration option..

If you are getting marine finace , finance houses outsource the registration process if you let them and can cost up to £1500. Easily avoided pay cash or similar!

Make sure you have VAT receipt also. Common for German registered boats to have VAT paid in Spain ( agreed valuation basis and lower tax rate so cheaper) in my limited experience.

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Re: Leaner,

The invoice that I have is more like a contract, it shows net amount and IVA tax at 16% (assume this is the VaT) and then total amount, all in DM. The date on this contract is May 98, with delivery specified Dec. 98.

Is this the invoice ?

Your point about registration, BOS quoted me approx £600.00 for registration. Can I do it any cheaper.

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vat invoices

Sounds like not a VAT invoice. A vat invoice, ie the thing you need, will clearly have the seller's name, the price, the VAT/TVA amount, the VAT reg number of the seller and a date. And it will not contain the words "This is not a VAT invoice". Need to check. Also, I wd think legally it has to be in the language of the country whose VAT is being paid, ie spanish?

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Registration cost

Depends if done over there or back here. If back here:

Registration £125
Survey £170ish
Mortgage registration (assumed as you mentioned BoS) £115
(all from memory). So £600 bit on high side. This assumes boat not already Part I registered. If you're taking loan before delivery to UK, you may need provisional registration which will be extra £50ish.

Re VAT. Sounds like sold by a german supplier as you mention DM price. Contract maybe OK if seller's name, address and VAT number clearly stated but proper VAT invoice better.


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Re: vat invoices

The more I look at this invoice, it may or may not act as a vat invoice. It looks like the original contract from Sealine Boat Company - Port Adriano. It is all in German. Had it translated over the phone from the chap at Sealine Ibiza.

It is a signed contract showing Net 16% IVA (MWst) and total price. It states such things as owners name, gae, address, depost, penalty clauses and boat spec and extras. So you are probably right, it is not the VAT invoice.

I do have a copy of its German registration doc. Have not had any problems with getting hold of paperwork to date, so should not be a problem with the VAT invoice, will e-mail them for it now.

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Re: more on pricing of this boat

Whilst 'leaner' is what I dream of, 'learner' is both more apt and accurate !

I think you have sorted it out with JFM, doesn't sound like an invoice and if no invoice, you will need Bill of Sale and you also need the VAT receipt (ASSUMING not on original invoice)....well you don't NEED it but BOS and the registration authorities will. As you say doesn't sound like an issue as a Sealine broker and they will know exactly what is required in UK. You will HAVE to do survey out there and you're looking at £500 ( my guess based upon last year's experience). Note - make sure you use a surveyor with credentials acceptable to BOS. Try YBDSA (???) site.

£600 OK if FULL info ( still cheaper if you do yourself, if they let you !!) , £1500 (CI registration if ANY hole in ownership trail)

Suggest to broker that he is responsible for original everything...Another £1000 reduction if not given, maybe???

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Re: more on pricing of this boat

Hey guys hang on a bit, this is a 37 foot Sealine. Jenny and Aircon? I have never seen a S37 with either and I have seen a few, admittadly not in the Med but where would you put a jenny in a S37?

Transport back to UK 3 grand tops but lift on to transport and berthing over in Port lecaut whilst waiting for transport can add a few quid. Especially as it is hard to tie up transport with arrival of boat in Port Lecaut if weather is dodgy.

Still cannot believe there are not loads of S37 around over here though, and Mike Finch will no doubt tell us approx what he got for his 1998 S37 eventually, although he told me to stuff (not his exact words) my 110 grand in 2000. The boat new in 2000 could be bought for 150K loaded with extras

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Documents

You must have, irrespectrive of how you are paying for it or how you intend to register it:

All of these originals NOT copies

Builders certificate
Original VAT invoice if VAT paid

Bills of sale from builder to each owner in turn. Even if first transfer of ownership was from Builder to Dealer, you must have bills of sale showing transfer of ownership to each new owner. If you buy a boat without this it is impossible to prove legal title and indeed the title may be suspect, making it impossible to sell.

It is amazing how relaxed boat dealers and brokers can be about this.

The Bill of sale document is a standard document showing 64/64ths ownership and stuff.

Good luck

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Re: Documents

ORIGINALS ORIGINALS ORIGINALS.

If you fail to get just one document your boat may be owned by somebody else.



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