S37 from the Med

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After taking stock of the panel’s comments from my thread “S34 or S37”, I have been on the hunt for an S37. Well I think I may have found a nice one in the Med, yes I did say the Med. (What am I getting myself into). Will probably view next week, though why I don’t know, one S37 looks the same as the next to me. OK, I,m being flippant. I can tell externally if it has been looked after, but that’s about it from a viewing.

Firstly, could anyone put a value on a 1998 S37 with KAD 44’ – (Yummy) and a few extra goodies – hate to think I,m paying over the odds.

It would appear that all the paperwork will check out, being faxed over tomorrow, ie good tittle and VAT paid, being brokered thro a reputable Dealer.

Secondly, any pointers of what I could look out for on the boat when I view. Does anyone have experience of buying from the Med or indeed outside of the UK. I understand Sun Coast is in that part of the world, perhaps you PM me so that I could ask you advice.

Thirdly, could anyone recommend a surveyor for this kind of job and a transport company to get it back.

Really need your help on this one. I think buy the time I get her, (which ever one that may be) you will all be surrogate fathers.

Cheers,

Rob


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Is it in the Ballearics , if so I could recommend a good surveyor based in Mallorca,
he flew over to Menorca to survey my F36

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RDL put some more info on your profile if you would cant call you RDL. Ohhps just did

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I bought my last boat from the Med (Targa 48) and My first boat was very nearly a 1998 S37 but at that time bought a V40 instead.

I would say a 1998 S37 must be worth around 100 - 110k ?

Look at signs of fading on gelcoat, not always easy to see if no comparison available. I see you have asked to see all docs and don't assume anything with Docs, including Builder Certificate. Ask also to have faxed over service records. Look out specifically for tappit adjustment at 200 hours for Kad 44s plus 100 hour / annual service. With flights so cheap nowadays I would spend the extra and take a local surveyor out with you when it gets that far. They talk good service in the Med but invoices relating to the work are better evidence. Service is often shortcut if the owner is far away and only visits the boat occasionally. British kept boats that have TLC from their owners tend to have that odd screw thats loose done up, whereas with a Med boat you can expect your first few days of ownership to be tightening everything up. Transport back from t'Med is a return trip at certain times of the year and can be negotiated. Speak to Ken de la Hunty at the Fairline stand at SBS. He runs the transport side for PetersPLC and I found him great to deal with. There are other issues with bringing the boat back but I have info if you get that far.

I would have thought there were plenty of S37's in the UK but if you are carefull then buying in the Med is no problem. Remeber that trips out and transport will add best part of 10 k to the deal.

Have you looked at a Princess V40?

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Re: tcm

That would be my next choice if i could afford it.
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Although a bit pricey, Yes?
£118,760 Transport cost and others.

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Re: tcm

That looks a bluddy good one. 200 hours is low hours - not too low tho. No evidence of kids, and not much evidence of living on the thing which is good fun to do, but doinks and wears fabric - yet there are hardly-used tables and so on. Boats owned by people with villa/flat near are used less, i spect this is like that . Canopies/canvas covers look almost new - not a cheap item and you needem in the uk. If you wanna s37, that's a fine one. Surveyor still needed for humming and hawing. I agree bout the idea of you looking round it - Cor, look, a boat, good innit? Um isn't it? Course it is. Just send a surveyor round mebbe, dead cool.

Price is not low. he may have trub selling at that price cos despite low hours, it has no aircon and no gps plotter. This is axshuilly much better than loads of gear on it but all a bit overused. You don't need air in uk (cept last week over last ten years, ahem) and a 5 year old gps plotter wd look a bit sad anyway. The fact that a handheld plotter is included shows they know this is a drawback, and you can signal that you know the same by asking what type of handheld it is - but regardless, a fixed plotter (not handheld) wd've cost say 3-£4k in 98. So it is a bit steep, and the guy should snatch 150k euros off you. Or try 140, dunno. praps first ask if price is fixed, then send in surveyor, then offer erm 146 which is a bit over £100k. You not having been down and said ooh fab i love it would be good leverage.

Route back to UK is best get a truck to pickit up from a port in france, perhaps eg Port Leucate in the south west where it gets hoiked on a truck and trundled north. bet the sealine man can help with contacts - how does his stock come down eh? Not far from the coast so can nip westward and then up the coast. Lots of peeps may be able to help you take it to mainland anyway (eg, erm, me: fees= some beer). Or of course - it's a med boat - so should it stay in the med?

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Re: tcm

When buying a boat from the Med , do you need to check if the VAT is paid, And has it with this one, And if it hasn't is it the buyers responcablity to pay it on entry to the UK?


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Re: VAT

yep, you do need to check if vat is paid, and you are liable if found unpaid. But for example, this is much clearer to find out in many foreign countries than it is in the uk which is a bit wild westified with optional registration, and more than one register of boats, neither of which are arms of the tax system.

In the uk (not CI) all boats get *charged* the VAT - so there is a VAT invoice and might be a lickle recepit - but then the company that owns the boat could say ah but we are a charter company as I have rented the boat to erm myself, some mates down the road and one or two other people, and reclaim the vat and likely from a different VAT office - hence suddenly the boat is NOT vat-paid. But from a selction of the docs, especially the original invoice, it looks as tho it is.

in france frexample (dunno about german registrered) , this cant happen as the original docs acompany all transactions, and for example in the registration document (orange book, not an optional registration, and don't care about the name its the reg number written on the side that matters) it also shows the annual tax stamp, and so if it has an orange book the vat has definitely been paid.

Cross-border, they all blather on that there is full co-operation between vat offices but of course they don't speak the lingo, have different systems and so have to rely on pieces of paper, declarations and so on. Bit of a minefield.

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Re: also

it looks a bit unslept-on - those bedspreads look as though they have takenem out for the pic - ask about the owner - perhaps they will say if he has a villa on the island.

It doesn't actually mention any shorepower - but it must have shorepower, a wire connected to AC on the quayside to charge things up? DavidJ will know, that grey wire from the centre looks like the one.

You need a filler cushion for rear cabin with 3 kids to make it a monster double-bed den, total and utter junior fun, ask and check, or can get summink made.

The Alcantara material (dark blue) are good, heavy duty suede (sp?) effect that you can wipe sick off, hardwearing, on bedheads and saloon seats, also nice and warm for uk. whereas leather can be a bit cold. Can't be Alcantara bedspreads!? is it really Alcantara (which is a trade name of the fake suede). praps ask local sealinies if it is/was an option.

That advert shows last updated in early June. So it has been for sale for almost three months, and can't command "start-of-season" may/june price of €165k. Germany is in recession, soo €140k might do it.

You neda decent surveyor chap and none of this "an anchor was observed, not checked" - they need to takeit out and use/check as much as poss please.




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Agree tcm's comments. This boat looks remarkably good. Covers look new, it looks well kept. Internal colours etc are right. Probly been used as day boat becos no electronics.

But offer a low price because (a) Sealine is a less popular brand there and this one has no aircon. It is virtually unsaleable in med without aircon (b) No electronics - a good thing because you can buy new. Forget the handheld gps, worth £25 tops (c) probly a crap dinghy because no spec is given

We transported a 42 footer UKto med last year for about £6300. Peters and May did it, I can recommend them, excellent service. You need to sail it to mainland but as TCM sed that's easy and people here can help. Barcelona is about 65 miles, and maybe get it to marseilles ish. Piece of cake. People say return journeys to UK are cheaper, I dunno

When you view it, check the gelcoat. Med sun is harsh, it turns gelcoat dull and chalky and good maintenance is needed to comobat this

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jfm,

I have put an offer in, which has been accepted to get me over there and start the ball rolling, whether it is low enough I,m not to sure. What do you think is the right price.

Perhaps PM me and we could discuss in more detail.

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Blimey, Rob, You don't hang around.

Good luck,, and i hope the purchase goes okay for you. I think it looks fantastic.

And keep us posted..

Cheers..

Alistair..



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I really dont know the pricing on that model, honestly. As a general rule of thumb applicable to south of france where I'm based, boats seem to be available at 15% less than asking. TCM's mate bort a sunseeker 56 a couple of months back for 30% off but it was bright yellow all over and no-one wanted it. A non-arcon boat is similar, but smaller £ effect. To fit new decent aircon in that boat is £8000 - I had it done last year on a 42foot. A less high spec job is £6000. Decent plotter and radar all interfaced properly is perhaps £6-7k

A friend of mine bort a sunseeker camargue 50 a month ago in SofF, from sunseeker. 2 years old, they had taken it as trade in. He got 10% off the asking and sunseeker had to fit a new passerelle (€6k), supply a brand new Avon jetrib (€10k) and fix minor things and polish it all over. That was a june/july deal, now we're nearly spetember.

intuitively therefore I think an offer 142.5k euros is apprpriate here. If it is as clean and tidy as the pictures show, you might go to 147.5

But I'm no expert here, this is just gut feel. Always you need to be 10% under asking price, even for a nice boat

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Re: trip

ooh, this is going quick innit?

transport wise, yup, i can help wiv a trip, have dun baearix-mainland a few times, tho using a different chart from jfm which sadly meant it was nearer 100 miles, praps he knows a short cut? :-)

Weather can blow up a bit (well, a lot praps hence called gulf of Lions) across north of the pyrennes so important to stay inshore and keep an eye on things. You wanna move it sooner rather than later, so sept is better weather than oct frexample.

The transport company will tell u best place for them to pickup from, who they know and where, so if same pricish from port leucate or marseilles then praps do port leucate which is furthe west to save boat fuel, tho check where airports are else mopnster cab fares. You shdn't need to be present as boat is hoiked out of water -the lorry and marina peeps take the props off and crane boat etc. Tho interesting.

Ask if the boat has a tonneau cover - a canvas cover than you can't sit under, but protects the boat in winter and saves the nice camper top from general crud on the motorway. Not vital tho. Steal cardboard boxes in ibiza and dismantle them for lorry peeps to wander around the boat and not gunk up the carpet and cockpit with big boots. Take the mobile number of the lorry driving gang for contact later if you need to ask the props etc have been stashed if they have to takem off. Make sure insurance covers the trip. Make sure the sodding lines and fenders (countem in the pic) and fender sox and the shorepower cable stays with the boat, not with the dealer. Tell broker to inflate the dinghy ready for you or surveyor's inspection - it can be used it as a coastal liferaft i spose.

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Passage Plans

Ahem. I have checked my pockets and dang lost the map of the shortcut. It was written on a bit of paper and I was not allowed to copy it, qv the Beach :-)

So you'll have to go the direct route. I have the CMap chart here on the office pc and distances are as follows. :

1. san antonio straight to barcelona 150 miles
2. san antonio north to Cabo Tortosa,103nm, then up to Barca along the coast 74nm
3, west from san antonio to calpe 52 miles, then 150 miles or so along coast to barcelona

I was a bit surprised. The top right of mallorca (pollensa, alcudia) to barcalona is exactly 100miles, whereas san antonio is quite a bit south as well as west, hence 150 miles as above. You could also go san antonio north east to pollensa, along n coast mallorca, about 75miles, then the 100miles to barcelona

By the way RDL, I can lend you the charts for the whole trip on a CD, and you can runnem on a laptop with hh gps connected to the COM1 port, so the laptop will work like a plotter. Will save you spending money on charts for just one trip. All totally non RYA approved of course becos you wont have the paper charts, but there you go. Let me know later if you do the trip and we can sort this out.
 
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