rotrax
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You know that, I know that, but with rodgerthebodger you are flogging the proverbial dead 'un..........................................................
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flaming
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Number 3 is 100% definitely incorrect.
You're misreading WS regulation 19. The part you are looking at, 19.4(a) needs to be read with 19.6 It is talking about entry to specific events, not your local club racing.
rogerthebodger
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So what are the specific events
why does regulation 19 not say what those specific events are and why must anyone who wished to enter those specific events must be a member of a world sailing Member Nation Association.
If I am interpreting the document incorrectly World sailing should clarify the regulating 19 by specifying what specific events require any enterent to be a member of the MNA and why.
flaming
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It's literally listed in regulation 19.6
https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/2021RegulationsClean-[26818].pdf
rotrax
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Sometimes I sits 'an finks.
Sometimes I just sits............................................
Sometimes I just sits............................................
rogerthebodger
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Events Requiring World Sailing Eligibility
19.6 World Sailing Eligibility is required for the following events:
(a) the Olympic Sailing Competition
;(b) the sailing events of Regional Games recognized by the International Olympic Committee;
(c) events including “World Sailing” in their titles;
(d) world and continental championships of World Sailing classes and world championships of the IMS, Major Events and other events approved by World Sailing as a World Championship;
(e) any event at which the Organizing Authority, Member National Authority or World Sailing has appointed an International Jury, International Umpires,International Race Officers, International Measurers or World Sailing Technical Delegates to act in that capacity;REGULATIONS
(f) any event approved by a Member National Authority of World Sailing as an Olympic qualifying event;
(h) any event designated by a Member National Authority within its jurisdiction as requiring competitors to satisfy the requirements of Regulation 19.7; and
(i) any event designated by World Sailing.
Do ll of those restrictions comply with the consumer protection laws that apply in the countries that World Sailing operate in
Do all these World Sailing comply with thee IOC (International Olympic Committee Code of Ethics
Article 1 of the IOC code of ethics
1.1 Respect for the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play;
1.2 Respect of the principle of the universality and political neutrality of the Olympic Movement
1.3 Maintaining harmonious relations with state authorities, while respecting the principle of autonomy as set out in the Olympic Charter; ( If you don't abide with thw laws imposed by the authority of the country's how can you maintain harmonious relations with state authorities
1.4 Respect for international conventions on protecting human rights insofar as they apply to the Olympic Games’ activities and which ensure in particular:– respect for human dignity;– rejection of discrimination of any kind on whatever grounds, be it race,colour, sex, sexual orientation, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status;– rejection of all forms of harassment and abuse, be it physical, professional or sexual, and any physical or mental injuries;
We have a constitutional requirement of Equality of all people within the country.
I think there are questions with regard to equality and the fundamental human rights of all people in these World Saiing regulations
rogerthebodger
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It all about thinking in an unbiased way and with an open mind and not follow the rest of the people involved in the management
Kurrawong_Kid
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I stand corrected, but my point still stands.
Greemble
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As an aside.
You seem to have been hitting the dots quite a bit lately.
Are you just waiting to someone to point out that there are only three dots in an ellipsis?
Your spelling & punctuation is quite good, apart from that one thing...
rotrax
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You are the one complicating a simple situation.
A member of a sailing club - in NZ - that I am a member of competed in the last Olympic games.
He is, like most competitors at this level, an affiliated member, through his local sailing club, of his National Organisation,New Zealand Sailing, which is also affiliated to other organisations that organise International Sailing events. As you can imagine, his local club is very proud of his achievements and use them to attract members. This would not be possible if he were a direct member of NZ Sailing. They would claim the glory!
If you want to be a rebel and break with the way it is done-and has been done for years-be my guest.
There are perfectly good and mostly very sound reasons for the way International Sailing-and other Sports-are administered.
I am sorry you cannot-or will not-see them.
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rotrax
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Its my version of a 'pregnant pause'...................................
I like to be a bit flamboyant now and then.
Poignard
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And sometimes, like me and others here, you might get flambéed by FAT and his myrmidons.[...]
I like to be a bit flamboyant now and then.
awol
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flaming
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What are you on about? "fundamental human rights".
it's a sailing race we're talking about. And the VERY FIRST part of rule 19 EXPLICITLY states that right to participate is presumed.
rogerthebodger
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As specified in the European Convention on Human Rights
Yes but what rights
Our MNA states some tinh similar in their constitution preamble but then breach them in the requirements to a sailing club to be affiliated. The MNA constitution contradicts itself
Its not what is said or written it all about what is done in practice
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7c7f43ed915d48c241023b/oft311.pdf
The above publication by the Office of fair trading discussed Unfair contract terms
In our CPA it clearly states that the requirement that a consumer must enter into an additional agreement with a third party is unlawful.
A condition could be considered to be an unfair term of condition in the agreement to enter a yacht race
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ylop
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The convention protects people from abuse by the State not organisations acting entirely independently of the state.
If you have a problem with how your MNA interprets or applies the rules, I suggest you take it up with them. Since the thread is an RYA one - it’s probably worth bearing in mind that the RYA does not insist on membership of a club or the RYA for non-ISAF racing, but of course clubs/event series may have their own rules. I’ve never heard anyone in any sport think it was unreasonable for a club to restrict some of its events to its own members where it suited its interests to do so.
Not only do you not understand Regulation 19 and the European Convention on Human Rights you also don’t understand the Consumer Protection Act. The equivalent of the ISAF clause is found in virtually every sport at international level, that doesn’t automatically make it fair of course, but does suggest that there would be ample opportunity for someone else to have challenged it. Wait till you find out that most judges, being solicitors/barristers, can only do that by being part of a closed professional body too - you’ll be claiming it’s all a conspiracy to stop you racing without joining.
Since joining itself is cheap, and indeed if you were really good someone might give you honorary membership, the only people who would have a real exclusion would be those who were for some reason barred from membership - but that’s precisely the reason the rule exists: to enable people who are dangerous, cheat, break WADA rules, bring the sport into disrepute etc to be barred from entering.
ImpImp
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It's still spending members' money on hectoring rather than representing and what a stupid question, right out of the 'Have you stopped beating your wife?' style of juvenile debate.
RunAgroundHard
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Write to them and propose alternatives. You are acting stupidly because you believe that what the RYA are offering is mandatory. You have a choice to be a member or not, engage or not engage with the RYA. You also have a choice to conduct your sailing activities in a way that limits environmental impact. If you do limit the environmental impact, you may actually do what the Green Blue is asking you to do, or meet the intent. You demonstrate that you don't understand this, hence you must be too juvenile to engage in active debate.
dgadee
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Not really. ECHR started like that but then individuals could access rights horizontally. That's where privacy rights against another individual (or newspaper) arose, for example.
Skylark
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I’ve only now opened this thread. Ironically, I’ve just read the Oban Harbour thread (immediately above this currently) where everyone is heaping praise upon RYA for their thorough and comprehensive response to the matter, many concluding “that’s why I continue to be a member”
Evidently RYA can’t please all of the people, all of the time
