RYA sail qualification- does it also cover power?

[john_morris_uk]

I look forward to hearing the result ofthis one. I was YM Ocean when I needed a power qualification. All I had to do was learn the different safety checks, MOB and boat handling for serious Mobos. It took a couple of days training and a three hour (roughly) exam, a MOB then lots of boat handling tests

Assuming a person has the required experience and miles and hours you used to be able to do a conversion exam. This is no longer the case and you now need to undertake a complete YM Power exam.

(NB. To state the obvious: Passage planning for a motor yacht is significantly different to passage planning for a sailing yacht.)

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[nortada]

Assuming a person has the required experience and miles and hours you used to be able to do a conversion exam. This is no longer the case and you now need to undertake a complete YM Power exam.

(NB. To state the obvious: Passage planning for a motor yacht is significantly different to passage planning for a sailing yacht.)

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Interesting thread.

I have both, but qualified in sail before the days of GPS, back then a working commercial Yachtmaster I just did a conversion to power. My theory knowledge was accepted so I just had to do practical handling.

Rather than the RYA the then Board of Trade issued the certificate. Now retired but throughout my working life, I was never asked to produce this certificate.

Whilst I concede planning a passage under sail is more complicated than a passage under power but I would suggest the passage under sail would cover all aspects of the same passage under power.

 

[capnsensible]

Interesting thread.

I have both, but qualified in sail before the days of GPS, back then a working commercial Yachtmaster I just did a conversion to power. My theory knowledge was accepted so I just had to do practical handling.

Rather than the RYA the then Board of Trade issued the certificate. Now retired but throughout my working life, I was never asked to produce this certificate.

Whilst I concede planning a passage under sail is more complicated that a passage under power but I would suggest the passage under sail would cover all aspects of the same passage under power.

The RYA used to examine on behalf of the Board of Trade but now its on behalf of the Maritime Coastguard Agency.

 

[nortada]

The RYA used to examine on behalf of the Board of Trade but now its on behalf of the Maritime Coastguard Agency.

Not sure but back in the 70/80s, I don’t think the RYA dabbled in power qualifications.

Rather than the RYA qualifications, the power qualifications were part of Master Mariner scheme and all thatFurther back in time the RN Lieutenant qualification could have been part of the template.

As I recall, in the time of sail an RN ship was managed by a sailing master, who attempted to translate the skippers requirements into actions.

Bit before my time

 

[capnsensible]

The Board of Trade started examinations for Yachtmaster Coastal certificates at the request of the Admiralty in 1938. Just before your time?

The RYA took over examining on behalf of the BoT in 1973.

 

[capnsensible]

Hoping to hear back from the RYA themselves, but it's a Sunday and I'm impatient.

A long time ago, when I was doing my Day Skipper (Sail) I remember being told that, since yachts have engines, it would also count as a DS Power. But I can't find any reference to this now.

If it does, would the same hold true at YM level?

The reason I'm asking is that I'm considering a job next summer which requires either Advanced Powerboat or YM Power, but around my current location I can only find centres offering YM Sail.

It's on the RYA website....

RYA Yachtmaster conversion exams | Converting between sail and power

The requirements must be completed on a motor cruiser. Yachts under power....nah.

Just like your sail certificate it has to be earned. People I've taken out for conversion work up have generally started out quite poor in motorboat close quarters maneuvering and often got well behind the plot when navigating at higher speeds. Also sometimes not on the ball with fuel consumption curves....when the boat has them. MOB quite different too.

Edit to add allow at least 3 hours for the exam.

None of this is particularly difficult but as always, needs sufficient practise. And then some more practise!

 

[Kelpie]

The Board of Trade started examinations for Yachtmaster Coastal certificates at the request of the Admiralty in 1938. Just before your time?

The RYA took over examining on behalf of the BoT in 1973.

Does the MCA still do the Boat master stuff? It's nearly ten years since I did mine and there was talk of the RYA taking it over.

 

[Davy_S]

On my ICC it says.
Coastal waters yes
inland waters no
Sail yes (including auxiliary engine
power yes
personal watercraft yes.

i am sure it used to say power up to 24 metres.

 

[capnsensible]

Does the MCA still do the Boat master stuff? It's nearly ten years since I did mine and there was talk of the RYA taking it over.

How to apply for a boatmasters' licence

Good luck with wading your way through that lot!!

Depending where you are, it may be easier to do a day skipper motor practical course then use your existing commercial qualification to get it commercially endorsed.

 

[capnsensible]

Mm just really read your op. If they require ym power then you need to do the qualification stuff I'm afraid.

 

[capnsensible]

If you are in Carib, try these peeps.

Yachtmaster Sail to Power Conversion - Ondeck Sailing

 

[john_morris_uk]

Whilst I concede planning a passage under sail is more complicated than a passage under power but I would suggest the passage under sail would cover all aspects of the same passage under power.

I would suggest it’s a bit more complicated than that. Fuel spares seastate etc etc If at high speed your planned wheel over points. Etc

 

[Kelpie]

Mm just really read your op. If they require ym power then you need to do the qualification stuff I'm afraid.

It's actually Advanced Powerboat that they are asking for, but AFAIU the YM Power would also work.
I can't find anybody doing AP out here, but I can do a YM Sail...

Looking like I'm best off just leaving it till I get home and do the AP exam. I already did the course, but the local higher Ed college who ran it failed to explain that there was no exam at the end. I should have just gone and arranged it myself but never quite got round to it.

 

[Never Grumble]

It's on the RYA website....

RYA Yachtmaster conversion exams | Converting between sail and power

The requirements must be completed on a motor cruiser. Yachts under power....nah.

Just like your sail certificate it has to be earned. People I've taken out for conversion work up have generally started out quite poor in motorboat close quarters maneuvering and often got well behind the plot when navigating at higher speeds. Also sometimes not on the ball with fuel consumption curves....when the boat has them. MOB quite different too.

Edit to add allow at least 3 hours for the exam.

None of this is particularly difficult but as always, needs sufficient practise. And then some more practise!

That on the RYA website reads that the shortened conversion exam option, which I was previously led to believe to be the 3 hours exam, is no longer available. I looked into converting my YM Power on YM Sail a few years ago (as we sail our own yacht and unlikely to ever buy a motorboat) but finding someone to do the three hours exam was near on impossible. I read this as you have to do the whole exam and be tested again on everything, dont most schools do the exam as a weekend tacked onto the end of a course. I'm not sure I could be bothered to put myself through all of it, perhaps day skipper sail awaits me after all.

 

[nortada]

It's on the RYA website....

RYA Yachtmaster conversion exams | Converting between sail and power

The requirements must be completed on a motor cruiser. Yachts under power....nah.

Just like your sail certificate it has to be earned. People I've taken out for conversion work up have generally started out quite poor in motorboat close quarters maneuvering and often got well behind the plot when navigating at higher speeds. Also sometimes not on the ball with fuel consumption curves....when the boat has them. MOB quite different too.

Edit to add allow at least 3 hours for the exam.

None of this is particularly difficult but as always, needs sufficient practise. And then some more practise!

Years spent in and out of locks on the Ouse (and elsewhere) was good training for close quarter handing and time as an aviator resolve higher speed navigation. Conversely small boat sailing on crowded rivers proved a good sailing tutor.

 

[doris]

Hoping to hear back from the RYA themselves, but it's a Sunday and I'm impatient.

A long time ago, when I was doing my Day Skipper (Sail) I remember being told that, since yachts have engines, it would also count as a DS Power. But I can't find any reference to this now.

If it does, would the same hold true at YM level?

The reason I'm asking is that I'm considering a job next summer which requires either Advanced Powerboat or YM Power, but around my current location I can only find centres offering YM Sail.

This whole thread has hugely reminded me of my YM Power test, conversion as I was already YM Ocean Sail. The two hours, or thereabouts, of close quarters manoeuvring in Portsmouth Harbour on a gusty day driving 42 ft, 2 x 450hp patio door special was by far the most difficult boaty exam I have ever done.
I doubt its any easier today!

 

[ctva]

It's actually Advanced Powerboat that they are asking for, but AFAIU the YM Power would also work.
I can't find anybody doing AP out here, but I can do a YM Sail...

Looking like I'm best off just leaving it till I get home and do the AP exam. I already did the course, but the local higher Ed college who ran it failed to explain that there was no exam at the end. I should have just gone and arranged it myself but never quite got round to it.

There are a few centres that offer the exams but they all rely on outside examiners (you can't examine at your own centre), I do exams at quite a few of them with this time of year being the busiest as you need a couple of hours of night nav practical. They are mainly on the Clyde, Stornoway, Inverness and the Forth.

 

[ylop]

I haven't read the full thread but apologies if this has been mentioned.
To get a powerboat qualification starting with pb 2 the boat needs to be capable of at least 12 knots if memory serves.
Hope this helps.

Not unless it’s changed. You used to be able to sit it in either planing or displacement craft (or both) but the certificate was endorsed to say which.

On my ICC it says.
Coastal waters yes
inland waters no
Sail yes (including auxiliary engine
power yes
personal watercraft yes.

i am sure it used to say power up to 24 metres.

did you sit the RYA courses for all of them ie. Day skipper sail, RYA PB2 and PWC?

10m limit is normal for a PB2 —> ICC. I think a commercially endorsed PB2 is 24m (for use in U.K./British Ship).

 

[Davy_S]

id you sit the RYA courses for all of them ie. Day skipper sail, RYA PB2 and PWC?

10m limit is normal for a PB2 —> ICC. I think a commercially endorsed PB2 is 24m (for use in U.K./British Ship).

I did the Day skipper sail and the yacht master theory, the RYA PB2, and what was a NABAC certificate, (national association boat angling certificate) that was done in an atlantic type of rib, i don't think they do that now, it was a long time ago. i believe some ICCs say power up to 10 metres, but mine does not set a limit.