RYA - lost the plot?

[john_morris_uk]

So why didn't they say "Sorry, we have no nearby examiner?" Why did they introduce a brand new length restriction which contradicted (and contradicts) the information available on their website? They could have said "Move your boat closer and we'll talk". It's not as if he was at the end of the world either, so if the RYA officially wants to pull out of Scotland maybe it should do so. Claiming to offer a national scheme which only operates at the whim of a small number of amateur examiners is not deeply impressive.

Perhaps they did? There's a lot of supposition and hearsay going on in this thread.

There are examiners in Scotland - just not very many of them. Its not normally a problem and people are trying to make a whole edifice out of one incident.

Where has the RYA suggested that the size limit change had anything to do with this particular incident? Its all supposition and conspiracy theories as far as I can see. Trying to make a story out of something that may or may not be true.

 

[Sandy Bottom]

Further to my last, I regularly get offered work as an instructor.

Instructing sail (on duty 24 hours a day for 5 days) you get offered between £125 and £135 a day.

The exam to become an instructor costs just short of £1000, you then need a medical (£70) and STCW etc (another £1000). You need to take a PPR course and exam ( a few £)

You need to be updated every five years (another few hundred) and they've just bought in a regulation that says your STCW will need to be revalidated every few years as well. (Another £1000 a pop)

I was fortunate and got my Firefighting and First Aid and Personal Survival Training through the navy. Next time I have to pay. (And the schools wonder why they struggle to find qualified instructors...)

I think I'll just go sailing on my boat instead.

£35 a day when I was teaching at Solent School Yachting - stop moaning, get on with it.

 

[Uricanejack]

I used to make 125 bucks a day as an Instructor.

I never did manage to convince my wife I was working though

 

[JumbleDuck]

Where has the RYA suggested that the size limit change had anything to do with this particular incident? Its all supposition and conspiracy theories as far as I can see. Trying to make a story out of something that may or may not be true.

My recollections - it's all on a thread here somewhere - is that the candidate applied, was told "fine, we'll find an examiner", then was told "we can't find an examiner", then "and anyway, your boat is too small, too uncomfortable and too gaffy" and when he pointed out that it met the published criteria he was told "we have other rules which we haven't published yet" and also "it's up to the examiner and he says no". It was a all a mess, and smelled of fish.

The published criteria still cover his boat.

 

[john_morris_uk]

£35 a day when I was teaching at Solent School Yachting - stop moaning, get on with it.

And my first salary was £1032 per annum.

I used to make 125 bucks a day as an Instructor.

I never did manage to convince my wife I was working though

I sometimes have the same problem. "Off on your holidays again?" she says.

 

[lpdsn]

My mistake but it was explained to me by an examiner, Rod Smith of Cumbrae National Watersports Centre to be precise, so perhaps the comment is only applicable to UK based schools. I can imagine the RYA could not and would not want to mandate that their scheme trumps another countries national sail training scheme.

I suspect that the RYA & ISA are now co-operating a bit more. When ISA first set up the scheme they wouldn't accept RYA shorebased certs, for example, even though the scheme was pretty similar to the RYA's. However, they seem to have had very little success trying to squeeze the RYA out of Ireland.

 

[VO5]

And my first salary was £1032 per annum.



I sometimes have the same problem. "Off on your holidays again?" she says.

I cannot resist a giggle....
The thing is....that the ladies are very intuitive.....and are able to spot accurately what most of us miss...like in here for example...with this ongoing game of Testosterone Fuelled Blind Man's Buff going on and on....that succeeds to ignore the significance of the obvious...

 

[Sandy Bottom]

I cannot resist a giggle....
The thing is....that the ladies are very intuitive.....and are able to spot accurately what most of us miss...like in here for example...with this ongoing game of Testosterone Fuelled Blind Man's Buff going on and on....that succeeds to ignore the significance of the obvious...

You still haven't told us where you're going to hang this yellow light from btw

 

[Sandy Bottom]

And my first salary was £1032 per annum.

Mine was £404.04 p.a. - you might as well give up John.

 

[VO5]

You still haven't told us where you're going to hang this yellow light from btw

I am a skimmer, not a submariner

Though at times with decks awash I sometimes have wondered...but I don't know.

And the thing is, currently I do not know who to ask. I used to have a next door neighbour when I lived in London, since deceased. His name was Jim Launders. He had the distinction of being the only and the first submariner in the RN to have sunk a U Boat during WW2 whilst still both were underwater. Some feat.

 

[john_morris_uk]

And my first salary was £1032 per annum.

Mine was £404.04 p.a. - you might as well give up John.

No contest. I'm sorry you went into such a poorly paid profession.

 

[john_morris_uk]

I cannot resist a giggle....
The thing is....that the ladies are very intuitive.....and are able to spot accurately what most of us miss...like in here for example...with this ongoing game of Testosterone Fuelled Blind Man's Buff going on and on....that succeeds to ignore the significance of the obvious...

That obviously means something to you.

Personally I'm very happy with my lot and don't take much of this seriously at all.

I do take knowledge about IRPCS and their applications seriously though.

 

[alant]

Further to my last, I regularly get offered work as an instructor.

Instructing sail (on duty 24 hours a day for 5 days) you get offered between £125 and £135 a day.

The exam to become an instructor costs just short of £1000, you then need a medical (£70) and STCW etc (another £1000). You need to take a PPR course and exam ( a few £)

You need to be updated every five years (another few hundred) and they've just bought in a regulation that says your STCW will need to be revalidated every few years as well. (Another £1000 a pop)

I was fortunate and got my Firefighting and First Aid and Personal Survival Training through the navy. Next time I have to pay. (And the schools wonder why they struggle to find qualified instructors...)

I think I'll just go sailing on my boat instead.

I got out when my comm end last came up for renewal, plus started getting concerned about liability should some of the City Bank high earners doing DS/YM, get a crack across the head & their wife decided to sue. Can't trust insurance company to just pay up & instructor is the first target. The £150 pd wasn't worth the risk.

 

[Simondjuk]

My recollections - it's all on a thread here somewhere - is that the candidate applied, was told "fine, we'll find an examiner", then was told "we can't find an examiner", then "and anyway, your boat is too small, too uncomfortable and too gaffy" and when he pointed out that it met the published criteria he was told "we have other rules which we haven't published yet" and also "it's up to the examiner and he says no". It was a all a mess, and smelled of fish.

The published criteria still cover his boat.

That's that verified beyond all question then!

 

[GrahamM376]

And my first salary was £1032 per annum.

Mine was £404.04 p.a. - you might as well give up John.

You two were rich, my first job was 39 bob a week.

 

[Seajet]

When I took voluntary redudancy to go freelance, I took advantage of a ' retraining budget ' to get a Yachtmaster Offshore ticket as a Plan B in case I fancied an instructor job.

I'd done a lot of of unpaid instructing in dighies & cruisers but not tried it as a profession.

After seeing much better sailors than me working 7 days a week in slightly grot conditions laundry wise, cooking for everyone too and responsible for 5-6 other lives - who expected to sail no matter what the weather as they'd paid - with instructors paid about fourpence a fortnight - I quickly decided it was a mug's game !

I should have learned from temping at a chandlery, where the customers were great to get on with but the manager wasn't; NEVER mix business with pleasure.

 

[john_morris_uk]

When I took voluntary redudancy to go freelance, I took advantage of a ' retraining budget ' to get a Yachtmaster Offshore ticket as a Plan B in case I fancied an instructor job.

I'd done a lot of of unpaid instructing in dighies & cruisers but not tried it as a profession.

After seeing much better sailors than me working 7 days a week in slightly grot conditions laundry wise, cooking for everyone too and responsible for 5-6 other lives - who expected to sail no matter what the weather as they'd paid - with instructors paid about fourpence a fortnight - I quickly decided it was a mug's game !

I should have learned from temping at a chandlery, where the customers were great to get on with but the manager wasn't; NEVER mix business with pleasure.

You're probably right. I only work wen I want to and as I examine power and sail, I find myself examining power much more than sail.

If I want to go boating for pleasure I go sailing on our own boat.

The exception seems to be these few weeks. Last week I was running a DS course in Palma, tomorrow I'm starting a Comp Crew course in Palma and on Monday I'm in Gosport teaching another Day Skipper course. All Sail. I did one YM Offshore power exam on Friday night into Saturday and then a YM Ocean oral board Saturday.

Nothing after that and I'm having July/August off to watch cricket and go sailing.

And I'm wondering why my own boat isn't getting its varnish and deck tread sorted out.

 

[dom]

Last week I was running a DS course in Palma, tomorrow I'm starting a Comp Crew course in Palma and on Monday I'm in Gosport teaching another Day Skipper course. All Sail. I did one YM Offshore power exam on Friday night into Saturday and then a YM Ocean oral board Saturday.

Nothing after that and I'm having July/August off to watch cricket and go sailing.

Gosh, ...and your wife thinks life is just one long holiday!

 

[VO5]

That obviously means something to you.

Personally I'm very happy with my lot and don't take much of this seriously at all.

I do take knowledge about IRPCS and their applications seriously though.

Why do you think this thread has gone on and on with more than 370 posts ?
Easy....
Nearly everybody here is discontented with some or other aspect of your precious RYA....but somehow are not able to accurately pinpoint the flaw.
Whereas the ladies, who do not profess anything, are armed with intuitive input, and as a consequence, are able to pinpoint the flaw straight away identifying the whole thing as Mickey Mouse. That is why you get the response that you do.

 

[john_morris_uk]

Gosh, ...and your wife thinks life is just one long holiday!

Yes but she's a head teacher so until she breaks up in July I'm delivering the boat somewhere warm so we can holiday together. She then gets six weeks holiday hence my blocking the dates out. (allegedly she's on holiday as she'll almost certainly bring her lap top and a load of work with her.)

Other than that, it's the joys of being semi retired and only working when I want to.