RYA fee rip-off

Greg - Exactly what I did, needed the ICC and sail numbers. I think you can also get a nice copy of your Dazed Skipper certificate although have not tried this yet, so all in all a billy bargain! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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£38 to renew an ICC (International Certificate of Competence)? Rip off or what?

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Driving test / Licence cost ( cant remember - too long ago /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif) lasts till what 75 years old. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif


R.Y.A Certs + SSR + Part 1 , 3 > 5 yrs KIN Rip-off WHY ????????????/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
Anybody from the R.Y.A. watching the Forum

is there anyone from the R.Y.A. who looks/peeks in to the Forum.
other suppliers do & are very helpfull.
i have been a R.Y.A member since 1973 (i think) & assume they do us all some good.
if one gains a Cert. it should be for Life for a one-off payment
 
You forget the ICC is a European piece of legislation, my undersatnding is it is Europe that states it is valid for 5 yrs not the RYA.

The RYA make it pretty easy as well as cheap for Brits to be certified. £30 for a yrs membership and you get a free ICC. spread it over 5 yrs and its only costing you £6 a year

Try moaning in front of some of our European cousins who have a long winded and time consumiong process of red tape to get there equivalant of ICC and they will just laugh at you.

I hope the RYA keep up the good work, Im happy to pay my membership for the other 4 years as well not just the one in five when I need my ICC.
 
"then if I don't think the membership is worth it I won't bother next year".


seems a bit churlish.
The RYA does also have a long history of service to sailors, training, safety and the production of our finest Olympic results of any sport - again.
Pretty good value for money ?
Ken
 
It cannot possibly cost the RYA £38 to perform the trivial clerical work involved in renewing an ICC. It is patently obvious that they are abusing their monopoly position of issuing ICCs to raise income. What's to stop them deciding to charge not £38 but twice that or whatever sum they fancy? We won't have any option but to stump up, as we are obliged to have an ICC and have no other way of getting one. The RYA should be stripped of responsibility for any obligatory certification as they can't be trusted with it.
 
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You forget the ICC is a European piece of legislation, my undersatnding is it is Europe

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Correcting an error elsewhere, the ICC is not an EU project, but derives from United Nations agreements, which are administered from Geneva, I believe. Has anyone an idea of the cost of the ICC in adjacent countries e.g. France, Holland, Sweden, Spain?

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The RYA is a business. It is not a charity. It has a development plan, needs to be profitable, and salaries/pension contributions/continued employment are dependant on the income generated by the enterprise. Several of those quite senior RYA staff who have, in the past, suggested that 'such and such an initiative was getting too commercial' got the bum's rush. In the corridors of RYA House, they talk regularly about 'how many courses have been sold', not how many members are doing this or that....

They - the secretariat and Council members - seriously dislike it when you actually read the Annual Accounts and ask the sort of questions that would be considered normal at any other AGM of a Limited Liability Company. Unlike most other LLCs, there is a huge amount of toadying going on, and raising a question which isn't 'primed' - like a dip in membership, or an unexplained significant new cost - is vigorously discouraged, or blocked. Try it!

Running the ICC is a 'good little earner' for the RYA, as was the Small Ships Register. They lost that because a middle-ranking civil servant found out about it, reasoned that the DVLC in Swansea had spare human and computing capacity, and that their taking-over the SSR meant better job security for some of those Established Civil Servants. Judge for yourself whether the current service is faster/better/cheaper than what the RYA provided.

However, if you want to raise a storm PDQ, just write to your MP asking him/her to raise the question of *why* the MCA is not handling this public requirement. After all, they are perfectly capable of so doing, using their spare capacity.....

Follow the money. The Chief Coastguard's Agency has a Charter obligation 'to recover its costs from its users', and it hasn't been doing so.....

....Yet!


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There's more than admin involved. There is the cost of printing the certificates (they look like they're printed on secure paper), the PVC wallets that they come in, the maintenance of the database that invites you to renew, the postage and packing....

If you think £38 is too much, and you think somebody else would be better doing it, how much do you think it would cost if the MCA or DVLA did it?

Have you renewed your passport recently? I've just got one for my 1yr old daughter and that cost me £34, and that lasts five years. A full adult one is over 50 quid...

Welcome to Rip Off Britain. It's not going to get better, only worse, so my advice would be not to waste time bellyaching about it!
 
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