RYA and red diesel (On my high horse)

[Twister_Ken]

Maybe you drive like an old woman?

You're not that guy behind me flashing your headlights are you?

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Yes thats me. So you're the dozy so n' so cluttering up the outside lane of the M3 are you?

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[DeeGee]

Whatever else I contirbute to this thread, I must try to nail this one.

Yes, your computer is lying to you. To clock up such a low annual milage, I assume that you do many short trips. I have owned 6 BMW's and there is no way that you would get better than about 20-25mpg from a 320. Surely, you can look at how much fuel you put in, and how many miles you do? The computer is telling you lies, and I suspect you suspect it.

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[robp]

Can't be, there's two trucks and a crane been doing that most of the morning!

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[StugeronSteve]

Aviation fuel policy is unjustifiable and unsustainable. How we have arrived at a situation where you can fly across Europe for less dosh than it costs to tie a boat up for the night in some marinas is a mystery!

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[DeeGee]

Ken, you are an admirable fellow for wishing to wear your hair shirt - and so publicly, too!!

For myself, I am not here, nor ever, prepared to make a point of principle which hurts me, but benefits nobody.

I think the point has been made that this will be only a drop in the ocean, and it requires supranational effort to introduce measures which will actually reduce consumption and pollution. Bedouin has made the point so well that all that will happen is the exchequer will gain - consumption and pollution will remain.

This reminds me so much of the TBT antifouling thing. We sprats were banned from this effective antifoul, but the massive tankers with square-footage making us like shrimps, are still (correct me if I am wrong) allowed to use TBT in their a/f.

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[bedouin]

Aviation fuel is a special case.

Do you know that as a private pilot you can buy fuel cheaper if you intend to fly abroad than if you are just flying within UK. Now that's what I call crazy.

Trouble is that for things like Aviation fuel there is genuine international competition. Airlines will either just fuel up in the cheaper countries, or switch their routes to avoid flying to the more expensive places as much as possible.

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[Evadne]

I wondered who was driving that BMW doing 4.2 knots in a SW F3 I got stuck behind on the M27 was .... for the best fuel economy, and minimal environmental impact (and maximum fun), get a bike! 60mpg and 0-60 across the traffic lights on only 499cc!

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[StugeronSteve]

As seen on Gatso vision?

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[Evadne]

Only half of the gatsos take a picture of your rear number plate, for the rest a biker can just wave and hope they don't recognise them! Mind you, in Southampton's rush hour getting up to 30mph is something of an achievement in/on any vehicle!

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[Twister_Ken]

Last chance to see...

Unhappy coincidence that I should be rattling on about environmental problems when news breaks that we may be entering the earth's <A target="_blank" HREF=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3520372.stm>sixth mass extinction event</A>

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[Twister_Ken]

BMW mileage

Err no.

We don't do that many short trips (2 tube stations and two BR stations close by, supermarket and high street 5 minute walk, buses galore) Most of the mileage is transporting daughter to and from Uni (600 mile round trip although she takes the train as often as not) and to and from Hamble (150 mile round trip). When the boat was in Lymington I'd often take the train down. And our 3.5 person household has 5 push bikes.

But yes, I wll do a fill-up to fill-up calculation.

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[rickp]

Right now, red diesel is a 'special case' - but the argument was that the advantage should be removed because of the pollution caused by its users.

Just as long as we're clear that reducing the advantage of 'red diesel' has nothing to do with reducing pollution and everything to do with increasing tax revenues without affecting the price of an airline ticket to Majorca.

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[Twister_Ken]

Bike mileage

For the best fuel economy get a lightweight road bike (as in bicycle). Approx 30 miles per pint of bitter.

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[IanPoole2]

Ken,

Do you honestly believe that the girl who got your reply is going to understand it. I'll bet it will get binned as the excercise / survey is now "complete" and your answer probably does n't tally with what people want to hear

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[Twister_Ken]

Well, she had letters after her name - F.Inst.L.Ex.

Fellow of the Institute of Lovers of Exhaust?

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[Aardee]

Fellow of the Institute of Lame Excuses??

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[Evadne]

Re: Bike mileage

"Approx 30 miles per pint of bitter."

That would be the only vehicle whose fuel consumption adversely affects its range:
1 pint = 30 miles
2 pints = 10 miles (as the crow flies) before getting off to push up the hill.
5 pints = 1 mile (as the fly crows), including getting lost.
10 pints = 0.5 mile as the crow staggers, then back to the pub for a quick laphrooauieough, then it all becomes a bit hazy.

If I fill mine up to capacity I find it does barely 100 yards before turning left into the nearest hedge, always assuming there is a hedge handy. Safest is not to leave the safety of the pub. Fortunately I only live 1 mile from my local (on the way there at least) so I don't need to cycle. And SWMBO only drinks halfs, so is able to find her way home from twice the distance I can for any given consumption.


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[Mirelle]

Fellow of the Institute of Legal Executives. What used to be called a solicitor's Managing Clerk.

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[pugwash]

All very admirable but...

I back the spirit of your message because there's something mroe than faintly immoral (imho) about such conspicuous consumption, but I don't agree with your justification. It is far from sure that CO2 is the prime cause of global warming, or that any man-made gas is. The Kyoto Treaty is failing and not just because the US and Russia (among others) have refused to sign: now even the EU is split on its efficacy in reducing emissions. Many people are now beginning to see that there are more cost effective ways of addressing the problem of global warming. If it is indeed a problem.

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