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Time laydays start etc. ....
A crime in a Marine Surveyors book is not reporting the First Line Ashore time ... the point that is generally accepted as then being time on berth as against waiting etc.
Similarly all clear is end of such but then we do not have to wrry too much about that - that then is ships responsibility ... we lump it as "Vessel Sailed".
It's funny that many Masters run away with the idea the NOR (Notice of Readiness) can "over-ride" other factors ... To those not in the "know" .... NOR is a letter by Master stating the vessel is Fit to load nominated cargo and is in all states ready at XXxx time, date etc. Normally time / date is either that as stated as earliest on Charter Laydays allowance or on arrival at Port outer limits. Time calculated will then often run from that time - unless specific agreement reached between various parties.
It has been known for vessels to issue NOR while still steaming to port ... a few I know off issuing based on passing Kalundborg long before arrival at Ventspils etc.
Other important points in the proceedings (Tankers) :
Loading :
Connection of hoses start and completed.
Actual start of loading (Terminal pumps)
Actual time of cargo arriving on board ... some pipelines are many km's long and can be minutes after pumps started.
Time of stop loading.
From that point - it then gets tricky - as everyone wants the ship to sail and there is often a 3 hour max allowed for documents to arrive on board. That time includes all inspections, calculations etc. Often when a delay incurs - the mud starts flying !!!!
There are also clauses in Charters often regarding the loading rates as well as steaming speeds .. so ships are often pushed ... this applies to all ships.
I've overseen on numerous occasions loading or discharge speed calculations on Bulk Cargo vessels .. where the crane / grab operations are slower than cargo interests wish ...
The subject of ship load / discharge is an interesting one and no matter how automated - it still falls back onto humans to complete the puzzle.
One of the worst situations for surveyors - and this is where Brit ships really annoy ... is the wait for anyone to cooperate to get ship loading ... Philipino's, Greeks, Indians etc. etc. will have papers / docs, people ready to complete initial inspection as smoothly and as quickly as possible. A surveyors dream. Brit's have this attitude of "Wait till I'm ready .... " or "I haven't got time right now ...." or "OH hang on will yer ... I'll se what I can do ...." ... a right pain in the a...
It is not unknown in these cases to advise vessel that non-cooperation will be passed back to cargo owners and we shall leave vessel - awaiting cargo owners instructions ... They wake up and suddenly want to cooperate ... I have standing orders with all my surveyors - insist and then say thank-you .. be nice but firm ... and 99.9% of the time all is fine and they get on well with the officers ....
A crime in a Marine Surveyors book is not reporting the First Line Ashore time ... the point that is generally accepted as then being time on berth as against waiting etc.
Similarly all clear is end of such but then we do not have to wrry too much about that - that then is ships responsibility ... we lump it as "Vessel Sailed".
It's funny that many Masters run away with the idea the NOR (Notice of Readiness) can "over-ride" other factors ... To those not in the "know" .... NOR is a letter by Master stating the vessel is Fit to load nominated cargo and is in all states ready at XXxx time, date etc. Normally time / date is either that as stated as earliest on Charter Laydays allowance or on arrival at Port outer limits. Time calculated will then often run from that time - unless specific agreement reached between various parties.
It has been known for vessels to issue NOR while still steaming to port ... a few I know off issuing based on passing Kalundborg long before arrival at Ventspils etc.
Other important points in the proceedings (Tankers) :
Loading :
Connection of hoses start and completed.
Actual start of loading (Terminal pumps)
Actual time of cargo arriving on board ... some pipelines are many km's long and can be minutes after pumps started.
Time of stop loading.
From that point - it then gets tricky - as everyone wants the ship to sail and there is often a 3 hour max allowed for documents to arrive on board. That time includes all inspections, calculations etc. Often when a delay incurs - the mud starts flying !!!!
There are also clauses in Charters often regarding the loading rates as well as steaming speeds .. so ships are often pushed ... this applies to all ships.
I've overseen on numerous occasions loading or discharge speed calculations on Bulk Cargo vessels .. where the crane / grab operations are slower than cargo interests wish ...
The subject of ship load / discharge is an interesting one and no matter how automated - it still falls back onto humans to complete the puzzle.
One of the worst situations for surveyors - and this is where Brit ships really annoy ... is the wait for anyone to cooperate to get ship loading ... Philipino's, Greeks, Indians etc. etc. will have papers / docs, people ready to complete initial inspection as smoothly and as quickly as possible. A surveyors dream. Brit's have this attitude of "Wait till I'm ready .... " or "I haven't got time right now ...." or "OH hang on will yer ... I'll se what I can do ...." ... a right pain in the a...
It is not unknown in these cases to advise vessel that non-cooperation will be passed back to cargo owners and we shall leave vessel - awaiting cargo owners instructions ... They wake up and suddenly want to cooperate ... I have standing orders with all my surveyors - insist and then say thank-you .. be nice but firm ... and 99.9% of the time all is fine and they get on well with the officers ....