Rowing accidents

rebellion said:
[QUOTE"sail" and "oars" meant the same thing.
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I havn't come across many rowers how would agree with this, even to back up their misuse of the river.I think the main problem is simply that rowing is physically and mentally exhausting, and when you have that much thought going in to your technique, it's very difficult to think about other river users.
Coxed boats shouldn't have this problem, but then again coxes are almost never formally trained in any way, so maybe there lies the problem.[/QUOTE]

The sail and oars thing was mostly from queries in the Henley/Temple area from bemused oarsmen expecting that it was my duty to give way to them in all circumstances, noteably when the roaing craft were the overtaking vessel!

As for formal cox training, I must admit I am surprised that the ZanuLabour H&S culture of the last few years has overlooked a lucrative source of revenue for cox licences. I am also relieved that the onus remains with clubs. Having said that, my experience of them suggests that they are very motivated to getting their crew to perform as well as possible, and this leads to tunnel vision and loss of situational awareness.
 
My wife and I love a little row on a weekend.






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rebellion; " Coxed boats shouldn't have this problem said:
I agree and that brings me back to my earlier posting.... a grave failing by many coahes who aim to get the best from the cox.
The cox's responsibility should quickly become vital for safety to one and all, obeying all the rquired navigation rules/laws and being an extension to the coaching philosophy.
Some but not all of these are rarely achieved in many rowing boats.


apollo says ....."Cox or Cocks?" I guess you'r something of a D*** yoursef!
best you put your offerings in 'The Lounge'?
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Scotty_Tradewind said:
I agree and that brings me back to my earlier posting.... a grave failing by many coahes who aim to get the best from the cox.
The cox's responsibility should quickly become vital for safety to one and all, obeying all the rquired navigation rules/laws and being an extension to the coaching philosophy.
Some but not all of these are rarely achieved in many rowing boats.


apollo says ....."Cox or Cocks?" I guess you'r something of a D*** yoursef!
best you put your offerings in 'The Lounge'?
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No, just joe average paying £700 a year and sick and tired of having to do the "looking where you are going" for people that should be looking out themselves!!.

Remind me how much a row boat pays again, £19 a year wasnt it?

I get you dont agree (spot the rower), but there is still freedom of speech and a lot of folks with motor boats certainly DO think that most are cocks.

...this is where i now get the "there are **** motor boaters as well" ...yada yada..

Yes, over generalisation...yada yada.

Zzzzzzzzz
 
apollo said:
No, just joe average paying £700 a year and sick and tired of having to do the "looking where you are going" for people that should be looking out themselves!!.

Remind me how much a row boat pays again, £19 a year wasnt it?

I get you dont agree (spot the rower), but there is still freedom of speech and a lot of folks with motor boats certainly DO think that most are cocks.

...this is where i now get the "there are **** motor boaters as well" ...yada yada..

Yes, over generalisation...yada yada.

Zzzzzzzzz
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Your eloquence seems to be 'talking' for itself! :)
Many of my points are made 'supporting' your cause... but havn't you noticed?
 
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I can do eloquent, problem is having spent so many weekends listening to the "Cream of English Society" rowing past using Anglo Saxon terms (even on the Boat Race on TV i seem to remember) - i guess it drags us all down to "their" low level.....
 
Scotty, whatever you pretend, the Rowing standards are akin to the Hire boats one sees wobbling up and down the Windsor reach on a drunken Sunday
 
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No Regrets said:
Scotty, whatever you pretend, the Rowing standards are akin to the Hire boats one sees wobbling up and down the Windsor reach on a drunken Sunday
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Rowers have standards akin to motor boats. I think we've all jumped down that neverending rabbit-hole of generalisation. Saying the rowing standards are poor is like saying boat handling is poor. Okay, there are more than a few problems with rowing, but lets leave out the cheap digs.
 
No Regrets said:
Trouble is Alex, not everybody is as realistic as you guys!

There are a few good Rowers on the Upper thames, no doubt about it, but rather too many who seem indoctrinated into disliking Motor Boats. :(

Obviously a few A'holes drive those too though :D
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Alex, my post was a response to Scotty-the-rowing-coach's last post!

You will not my previous comments shown above: but even then, it's really hard to see ANY signs of brain activity when encountering rowers on the Upper Thames.

The good few are appreciated of course, and ALL are treated with the same due respect and kindness from all the crew of No Regrets.

Any doubters are welcome to share my flybridge for a day for a stark demonstration of what I come across during almost every trip.

The last tidal trip exposed a few new arrogant tricks, as a lone Hammersmith rower astonished me with his refusal to accept my existence or respond to any gestures I made in the interests of safety, obviously for his benefit not mine!

Sad, but true.
 
On a lightharted note

I was following a steel boat aproaching abingdon when a single rower passed me very close and then ran the front of the rowboat up the steel cruisers exhaust outlet. Ooch.
Was she just knackered and wanted a lift?
I've seen a rower from Wallingford rowing club (mostley polite rowers)
with a small mirror attached to his cap. Seems like a good idea.
? Should this furum start a league of the most pleasant and unplaesant clubs.
Mabe we could club together and award meadals and wooden spoons.
 
Dave_Seager said:
What happened? The river is pretty wide at Hammersmith so what caused the problem?
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It started way before Kew heading downstream on a low tide. I should have just hammered past really, but he was rowing hard, then stopping for a break every now and then, every time I approached he started rowing again, instead of doing the decent thing and letting me go past once and for all. Not much width on a low tide!
 
Andrew_Fanner said:
I do wonder if there might be mileage in clubs inviting a representative of local rowing clubs, perhaps a safety boat jockey, along to exchange views.

I'me sure it must happen now and again, just not ever heard of it. By contrast sailing clubs do seem to communicate rather better.
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Teddington Reach has a coordination committee with members from all the local sailing, rowing, skiffing and boating clubs. They ensure every club can run it's races without annoying other clubs or river users.

All clubs agree to maintain a channel for river traffic whilst racing. Although this is mainly ignored by river traffic which is what causes the aggro. If a club has laid aside 1/3 river with a minimum depth of 10 feet, and still someone motors across the start line with 30 secs to go in the sequence, it's a pain.
 
Witnessed a classic bit of RoBo arrogance this morning (Sunday) at around 10am.

A 35 footish Broom type cruiser passed us heading upstream, looked about the right speed, certainly no noise, and almost no wake, at the same time as four middle aged Robo thugees passed by between us (Moored) and the Cruiser.

One of them shouted 'Slow down' at the cruiser, and thinking he was being a bit unreasonable, shouted 'He's not actually going very fast, nor leaving any real wake though is he?'

He replied 'F@ck off' and they carried on....

Pretty standard stuff, only to be expected I suppose :rolleyes:
 
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