Captain Coochie
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On the Thames do they have right of way ?
Does Sail have right of way ?
Does Sail have right of way ?
Rowers on the Thames
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boatone
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They certainly think so ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
The Colregs apply as on any other water navigable by "seagoing vessels".
However, as ever, local practice frequently needs to be recognised which means , basically, that MoBo's are a bloody nuisance and whatever you do you probably cant win!
As far as Sail is concerned these are most likely to be clubs racing so its helpful if you can recognise their racing marks and understand how sailboats tack, reach and run to achieve their objectives. They will also use every last inch so may scare you to death before executing a nifty tack and be bearing away again leaving you quivering with soiled underwear. Its a sort of battle of nerves but when push come to shove steam gives way to sail unless you can claim you're manoeuvering in a narrow channel etc....
As for Rowers ..........well thereby hangs a tale.....
Had one trying to overtake me a few weeks ago and screaming for me to get out of their way...I politely informed them that according to the Colregs they were the overtaking vessel and it was their job to keep clear of me....I also gently drew their attention to the fact that they were exceeding the speed limit and that it must be difficult to see where they were going when they all seemed to be facing the wrong way.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
There's a particularly arrogant lot that use your stretch of the river that seem to think its all theirs.
As you know, I have a big STEEL boat and I fnd this helpful...... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
The Colregs apply as on any other water navigable by "seagoing vessels".
However, as ever, local practice frequently needs to be recognised which means , basically, that MoBo's are a bloody nuisance and whatever you do you probably cant win!
As far as Sail is concerned these are most likely to be clubs racing so its helpful if you can recognise their racing marks and understand how sailboats tack, reach and run to achieve their objectives. They will also use every last inch so may scare you to death before executing a nifty tack and be bearing away again leaving you quivering with soiled underwear. Its a sort of battle of nerves but when push come to shove steam gives way to sail unless you can claim you're manoeuvering in a narrow channel etc....
As for Rowers ..........well thereby hangs a tale.....
Had one trying to overtake me a few weeks ago and screaming for me to get out of their way...I politely informed them that according to the Colregs they were the overtaking vessel and it was their job to keep clear of me....I also gently drew their attention to the fact that they were exceeding the speed limit and that it must be difficult to see where they were going when they all seemed to be facing the wrong way.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
There's a particularly arrogant lot that use your stretch of the river that seem to think its all theirs.
As you know, I have a big STEEL boat and I fnd this helpful...... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Steve Clayton
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They are the most ignorant and rude people within the boating fraternity that I have ever had the misfortune to meet.
They think they own the road and it is your perogative to keep clear of them whatever they do.
An eight passed me just above Caversham ; stopped 50 yards ahead and changed to broadside. We had traffic coming down so I had nowhere to go so I thought "s*d it" and hit then amidships and then gave them a right mouthful regarding their attitudes.
The coaching boats are the worst; they are the one river vehicle allowed to exceed the speed rules. They got short shrift from me as they came past creating unacceptable wash and noise from their megaphones.
One might say it's the minority who tar the majority but with rowers they ALL seem to be arrogant.
They think they own the road and it is your perogative to keep clear of them whatever they do.
An eight passed me just above Caversham ; stopped 50 yards ahead and changed to broadside. We had traffic coming down so I had nowhere to go so I thought "s*d it" and hit then amidships and then gave them a right mouthful regarding their attitudes.
The coaching boats are the worst; they are the one river vehicle allowed to exceed the speed rules. They got short shrift from me as they came past creating unacceptable wash and noise from their megaphones.
One might say it's the minority who tar the majority but with rowers they ALL seem to be arrogant.
Andrew_Fanner
Well-Known Member
See under "rowed rage"
There is a requirement for boats navigating against the stream to give way to those navigating with it but I don't know if that applies upstream of Teddington. As for dinghies, the club Hampton way seem quite able to grasp that I need more water than they do, well most of the time!
There is a requirement for boats navigating against the stream to give way to those navigating with it but I don't know if that applies upstream of Teddington. As for dinghies, the club Hampton way seem quite able to grasp that I need more water than they do, well most of the time!
D3B
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We have the same problem on the River Ouse at Ely and the Cam in Cambridge. i frequently actually stop the boat so there is no wash for them to go over....and of course i get a nice smile, wave and a big thank you.......i dont think!
the other thing to remember is that most of these peasants are at Uni (they certainly are around Cambridge) and will probably be running the country in a few years.....what hope for red diesel then /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Doug
the other thing to remember is that most of these peasants are at Uni (they certainly are around Cambridge) and will probably be running the country in a few years.....what hope for red diesel then /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Doug
Thisname
New Member
These so-called "peasants" have as much right to use the river as you do and indeed more right than you becasue you are engaged in a pointless and stupid activity. Whereas rowing is a sport helping to keep you fit and thus ensure a longer life and are taking part in an activity harmless to the enviroment you are destroying the world with your frankly pointless burning of fossil fuels and damaging the river enviroment.
Let the debate begin.............................
Let the debate begin.............................
Captain Coochie
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The question was " Right of way" Not who has the right to use a river.
I see you neglect to read aswell as look where you are going !
I see you neglect to read aswell as look where you are going !
whisper
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Welcome Geraint - an interesting 1st post /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif The Welsh boys played well again today, isn't it.
ARower
New Member
There are two types of rower. Peasants and non-peasents, the same can be said for sailors and motor boaters (if that's the correct expression).
We try to stick to the rules not for any reason other than it's safer. We row up on one side and down the other and in the main so does everyone else. The exception is of course the local university.
These furture leaders are coached and coxed by last years novices, row in eights that are the fastest most unmanageable things on the river, row on the wrong side, do power pieces and or start close to bridges / novice juniors and anything else and are generally dangerous.
Last year they managed to break one of their own coxes noses by crashing two eights head on.
Yachts and motor boats in the main are well behaved but there are exceptions who I expect cause you guys as many problems as they do everyone else.
I guess it's an education thing.
We try to stick to the rules not for any reason other than it's safer. We row up on one side and down the other and in the main so does everyone else. The exception is of course the local university.
These furture leaders are coached and coxed by last years novices, row in eights that are the fastest most unmanageable things on the river, row on the wrong side, do power pieces and or start close to bridges / novice juniors and anything else and are generally dangerous.
Last year they managed to break one of their own coxes noses by crashing two eights head on.
Yachts and motor boats in the main are well behaved but there are exceptions who I expect cause you guys as many problems as they do everyone else.
I guess it's an education thing.
boatone
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Gosh....what a brave chap...or is it chappess? Venturing into the MoBoChat forum...u deserve a medal /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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I wish I could agee with you but I am afraid that is not my general experience on the Thames. Frequently rowers take centre stream, decide to take a rest and just stop, often broadside on and with no indication of their intentions. I have come out of Sunbury Lock to find the lock cut itself full of regatta skiffs sculling around waiting for races to start and with no consideration for boats simply passaging the lock cut. Without significant avoiding action on my part there would have been 'accidents'. On other occasions, escort boats have been marshalling rowers all over the river with the complete expectation that other river users would just have to wait until they were ready to get out of the way.
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We row up on one side and down the other and in the main so does everyone else.
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I wish I could agee with you but I am afraid that is not my general experience on the Thames. Frequently rowers take centre stream, decide to take a rest and just stop, often broadside on and with no indication of their intentions. I have come out of Sunbury Lock to find the lock cut itself full of regatta skiffs sculling around waiting for races to start and with no consideration for boats simply passaging the lock cut. Without significant avoiding action on my part there would have been 'accidents'. On other occasions, escort boats have been marshalling rowers all over the river with the complete expectation that other river users would just have to wait until they were ready to get out of the way.
Andrew_Fanner
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Other side of the coin, last Sunday. Coaching boat yelled at a couple of scullers and a pair "get out of the way of those motorboats you idiots". Said idiots were mucking about just upstream of the lock cut at Sunbury and, IMO, too close to the weir.
Don't recall much on ColRegs when I was an oarsman at school, but then other boats were rare up as far as Tonbridge during term time.
Don't recall much on ColRegs when I was an oarsman at school, but then other boats were rare up as far as Tonbridge during term time.
duncan
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I absolutely agree with the sentiment of your post.
I would have to add that for rowers, and every other class of water user from comercial to newbie, it' s as much selfishness as education. I would therefore suggest in best management style that there are in fact 4 general classes of water user -
knowledgeable inconsiderate
ignorant inconsiderate
ignorant considerate
knowledgeable considerate
welcome to these forums and thank you for your contribution
I would have to add that for rowers, and every other class of water user from comercial to newbie, it' s as much selfishness as education. I would therefore suggest in best management style that there are in fact 4 general classes of water user -
knowledgeable inconsiderate
ignorant inconsiderate
ignorant considerate
knowledgeable considerate
welcome to these forums and thank you for your contribution
duncan
Well-Known Member
you would just have had to contend with me in my canoe going round and round the sports ground loop..............those were the days!
don't think you can even hire rowing boats on that stretch anymore. Shame.
don't think you can even hire rowing boats on that stretch anymore. Shame.
Andrew_Fanner
Well-Known Member
Canoe, sports ground loop!
Pah Sir, pah. Used to portage a scull over the weir if it wasn't running much and take it up to Haysden on a regular basis. Good long straight bit from Lucifer Bridge. Also taken one up by The Slade, but bottled out and went to the miniature railway with it on my shoulder.
Took a canoe up to Edenbridge quite often.
Up there next w/e so I'll check for hire boats.
Pah Sir, pah. Used to portage a scull over the weir if it wasn't running much and take it up to Haysden on a regular basis. Good long straight bit from Lucifer Bridge. Also taken one up by The Slade, but bottled out and went to the miniature railway with it on my shoulder.
Took a canoe up to Edenbridge quite often.
Up there next w/e so I'll check for hire boats.
duncan
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I still live there, not far from weir at Haysden, so I'll have checked by then!
and yes, up past Haysden, through Penshurst, Beggars Barn stretch(?) but never got to Edenbridge.
Duncan
and yes, up past Haysden, through Penshurst, Beggars Barn stretch(?) but never got to Edenbridge.
Duncan
Thisname
New Member
well-----the thing is the engine in a motor boat isnt constantly screaming at you if you make a mistake as rowers in a coxed boat are and as for coxless boats they are so hard to steer its very hard to control seeing as you cant just whack the motor up and go against the stream withought any effort!"
duncan
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think I get the gist of what you are saying but I am not sure it was addressed to me or what specific point, or points, you are trying to contribute?
I don't think anyone's disagreeign that manoevreability is an issue with many oar powered craft, although some are of course highly manoevrable but we are not considering these here.
Equally, in 'open water' I would like to think that most other water users would recognise the issues facing a (say) coxless 4 and give it a wide berth etc regardless of rights . On the other hand it might be suggested that there are times and places on the river when it would be inappropriate for a coxless 4 to try to make much progress at all!
There aren't many craft for whom a current flow adn a conjested river actally make thinggs easier - possible exception would be a slalom canoe but there aren't many.
I don't think anyone's disagreeign that manoevreability is an issue with many oar powered craft, although some are of course highly manoevrable but we are not considering these here.
Equally, in 'open water' I would like to think that most other water users would recognise the issues facing a (say) coxless 4 and give it a wide berth etc regardless of rights . On the other hand it might be suggested that there are times and places on the river when it would be inappropriate for a coxless 4 to try to make much progress at all!
There aren't many craft for whom a current flow adn a conjested river actally make thinggs easier - possible exception would be a slalom canoe but there aren't many.
Lakesailor
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Let the debate begin.............................
[/ QUOTE ] It's been running for a fair old while. The only motions that get passed on these forums end up in holding tanks.
Let the debate begin.............................
[/ QUOTE ] It's been running for a fair old while. The only motions that get passed on these forums end up in holding tanks.
tinstaafl
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These so-called "peasants" have as much right to use the river as you do and indeed more right than you becasue you are engaged in a pointless and stupid activity. Whereas rowing is a sport helping to keep you fit and thus ensure a longer life and are taking part in an activity harmless to the enviroment you are destroying the world with your frankly pointless burning of fossil fuels and damaging the river enviroment.
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Perhaps you could explain the "point" of rowing? I didn't realise that everything we do in life had to have a damn good reason behind it! Obviously the word "enjoyment" doesn't mean much to you...
tinstaafl
These so-called "peasants" have as much right to use the river as you do and indeed more right than you becasue you are engaged in a pointless and stupid activity. Whereas rowing is a sport helping to keep you fit and thus ensure a longer life and are taking part in an activity harmless to the enviroment you are destroying the world with your frankly pointless burning of fossil fuels and damaging the river enviroment.
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Perhaps you could explain the "point" of rowing? I didn't realise that everything we do in life had to have a damn good reason behind it! Obviously the word "enjoyment" doesn't mean much to you...
tinstaafl
hobiecat
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One of our motorcat owners has said he is getting everywhere in half the time as he no longer has to keep slowing down for rowers. The motorcat hardly produces any wash so everyone is happy
