Rough justice

[30boat]

It comes to a point where it's us against them.They made it that way and it's a good thing they did themselves in basically through their own stupidity.It would have been better if they didn't have to die a horrible death,there's no gain in that, but again it was their own fault.

 

[graham]

"I'll save my sympathy for the people they stole the yacht from"

"Whats to feel sorry for.. "

"If you make your bed then I suppose you'll have to sleep on it."

"no sympathy"

"both got what was coming to them"

"their end is probably a fitting way"

"asking for a video of his suffering to watch for light entertainment" (ok, mio culpa, slightly out of context)

"Poetic justice....."

"Darwin has claimed another two The gene pool could certainly do without them."

"2 down................ a lot more to go "

and of course your own "Natural selection, good riddence"

Yes they were toe-rags of the first order, no I don't want them living in my society, but the level of humanity expressed here is staggering. These people, yes to some extent by their own actions, died a slow and horrible death.

Even when we had the death penalty in the UK (and France) we tried to make it quick!

R

They died entirely as a result of their own criminal actions. I didnt know them personally and wont pretend to have any sympathy.Maybe if I had known them I would be aware of some redeeming factors but as it stands i feel no sympathy what so ever. My personal belief is that those that claim to grieve over strangers be they thieves or not are either deluding themselves or trying to delude the rest of us.

 

[David_Jersey]

My personal belief is that those that claim to grieve over strangers be they thieves or not are either deluding themselves or trying to delude the rest of us.

I think their is a line between having no sympathy and delighting in the manner of their departure.

FWIW I have no feelings on this either way, errr..........

 

[peter radclyffe]

I agree with Searush. A sociopath and narcissist teamed up? He was obviously a sociopath and her family seems to have believed she was a narcissist which is a specialsed form of sociopathy. I have had the misfortune to have come across a few sociopaths in my lifetime, they are the stuff of nightmares. The devastation and havoc they bring has to be experienced to be believed.
Apparently mothers can detect and reject sociopathic babies. There is no deterrent value in what's happened to them, a true sociopath is impervious, invincible. It's a fact that sociopaths have shorter life spans than the norm.

for 4 years i was in charge of 100 people on construction on the 75% new restoration of lulworth, a week before the launch, the sociopathic, violent, junkie project manager, fired me. uninvited to the launch 3 weeks later i had a heart attack, i have no sympathy for scum like this

 

[ChrisE]

Oh dear, what a range of reactions to this, unusual to say the least, crime.

FWIW, my own thoughts are that, fools and crooks they may have been, but I don't think that anyone should die in such horrible curcumstances. At the end of the day it is only a bloody yacht.

 

[LONG_KEELER]

We are probably wrong in hating them ( nice when you respond later after reading all the points of view than when you respond early) there is a good chance that their desires and lack of inhibiting desires were not of their own choosing.

However, a rabid dog can't help being rabid, either, but we can't have him running the streets.

Pity that they could not have been picked up earlier with a chance of some correction. I heard a quite a good definition of the prison population - The Mad, the Bad and the Sad. Don't quite know where these two fit into this.

 

[Alfie168]

Everybody has choices in life. Most of us 'choose' to try and earn an honest living, pay our taxes and generally treat our fellow humans with a modicum of respect. Even though life may chuck a few nasties at you, you generally press on. These people chose a lifestyle of dishonesty with no care for the consequences for others of their actions, and whilst their fate was a horrible one it was a direct consequence of the way they chose to live. Nobody forced their actions on them.

Would I wish it on them? No not really. Do I feel sad about it? No not really. One things for sure, they won't get out after five years and start inflicting mayhem on peoples lives all over again. There are plenty that do after all.

I don't think thats a hard or vindictive position, more like a rational one.

Tim

 

[webcraft]

I'm normally a very empathetic person

I see the lynch mob are out in force again tonight.

- W

 

[savageseadog]

We are probably wrong in hating them ( nice when you respond later after reading all the points of view than when you respond early) there is a good chance that their desires and lack of inhibiting desires were not of their own choosing.

However, a rabid dog can't help being rabid, either, but we can't have him running the streets.

Pity that they could not have been picked up earlier with a chance of some correction. I heard a quite a good definition of the prison population - The Mad, the Bad and the Sad. Don't quite know where these two fit into this.

I understand sociopathy is untreatable,incurable. No, they can't help what they are, I'm told, but I sneakingly suspect that there is some degree of choice involved. Possibly the only way is to make them realise that if they misbehave it will cost them, their minds are geared to risk and reward.
As I said before a true sociopath is so abnormal they aren't really human, more like some kind of alien or throwback to some kind pre human state. Believe me I know because my father was one.

 

[30boat]

We are probably wrong in hating them ( nice when you respond later after reading all the points of view than when you respond early) there is a good chance that their desires and lack of inhibiting desires were not of their own choosing.

However, a rabid dog can't help being rabid, either, but we can't have him running the streets.

Pity that they could not have been picked up earlier with a chance of some correction. I heard a quite a good definition of the prison population - The Mad, the Bad and the Sad. Don't quite know where these two fit into this.

I think you are being naive if you think they could have been reformed.People like them seldom can be.I know of several cases all hopeless.

 

[Searush]

Quote:
"Possibly the only way is to make them realise that if they misbehave it will cost them, their minds are geared to risk and reward." /Quote

Well, actually, that is the problem, they do not see the consequences of their actions, they CANNOT plan ahead. Hence the running out of food & water, a simple problem to solve for the average Joe. The excitement is in the risk taking, sure, but they are not able to assess the risk sensibly, they always assume that it will be alright on the night, or that they won't get caught.

 

[photodog]

Searush...

You make a excellent point .. these guys were Mentally ill.... Do we really want to wish a long and painfull death on someone who is mentally ill???

 

[robertj]

I do find it very funny that all these posts are about 2 people who broke the law and ended up killing themselves in the process.
I too sypathise with their victims.
My point is that not many post about local characters who spend most of their lives helping others and providing a service to unfortunate or underpriviledged people. They not interesting enough?????
This unfortunate couple provoked all our worse instincts in revelling intheir misfortune and agonising end.
Rough Justice???????


bob

 

[robertj]

more

as Christ said 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'
Even he couldnt change the mobs views back then, she was stoned to death i believe.
So no change after 2000 odd years???


bob

 

[chasroberts]

As someone who rarely posts, especially this late on in a thread, this particular incident seems to have generated, perhaps understandably, some extreme opinions. I have had vehicles and things stolen from me, as I presume have many if not all of the previous posters, and my initial reaction was probably along the same lines of 'I hope the bast@rds crash and die in a ball of fire' type thing.

However, think of it for a moment... Two people, probably not experienced sailors, alone at sea, in a storm, no water, no food, unable to think what to do, how to do it or even function rationally at virtually any level; terrified and slowly starving to death (although the thirst would probably have killed them first), unable to do anything about it.... Whatever the reason for them being there in the first place, criminal or otherwise, I do not think that's a death I would wish on anybody.
So whilst I do retain great sympathy and empathy for the victims of their various scams and frauds I just cannot find it in my heart to agree with the 'serves 'em right' brigade because one day it could really be any one of us out there dying in such an awful fashion.

Do I think they needed punishing? Yes! Do I think this was fitting? Sorry guys, but no I don't. This from a definitely right-of-centre 50ish year old. Go figure....

 

[nct1]

It was not the first yacht they had stolen.

Sad though it was, reading their bio, I have more sympathy with the owners, and the list of people putting their lives back into order in their wake.

 

[John100156]

Its a very sad day indeed when we place the theft of a yacht, whatever the size, before the lives of two people, albeit rouges. I agree with searush, some people are simply not dealt a full hand of cards, so can only play one hand.

A normal person cannot understand their behaviour, just like they cannot understand how to act correctly. How do I know this?

I had 4 sons, first two perfect excellent children, first class honours degrees and sucessful consulting engineers, third died of cancer at just 22, the 4th had learning difficulties and was given little help academicaly. He struggled, some might say a Sociopath. Yet he is the most generous and gregorius of all my sons, but always in trouble. OK, he is not a thief, but my wife and I have had to work really hard to keep him on the straightish and narrow. When we had him analysed they just said he just does not process information as a normal person.

Instead of judging these poor souls we need to help them, not just turn aside to sit on the back of our boats and comtemplate how fortunate we are to be able to judge them!

So I'm in the sad camp, but if I found them about to nick my boat I would batter them, noe theres the irony! Or not, they would understand and expect that in the simplistic risk assessment.

 

[Woodlouse]

I remember when they nicked their first boat from Mylor. They got as far as Fowey, where they were caught because even though they tried to hide the yachts identity, they failed to notice the name printed on the sail cover.