River Crouch Tuesday morning

FlowerPower said:
“I’m racing! Get out of the way!”
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You might think so, but he wasn't, though admittedly quite likely on his way to a start line (and you missed some adjectives). Rather disappointing as, despite their (the classes' crew's) reputation, I'd always had a liking for the class as my late Uncle used to have one. Having done 90% of my childhood sailing around Chi harbour based out of Ichenor I tend to avoid the pace these days as simply far to overcrowd and indeed too much “I’m racing! Get out of the way!” in general.
 
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Bigplumbs said:
You have to wonder if complaining about two boats altering course was worth posting about in the first place.

I hope he never gets given a cold cup of tea or the hissy fit that might follow would be unbearable
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He didn’t complain. He asked a question and was perhaps a bit frustrated.
Could have been a friendly debate until you turned it nasty.
To echo the OPs question. Why?
 
Elessar said:
To echo the OPs question. Why?
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The only person that can answer that is the one at the helm of the MOBO. I would dearly love to know too, but I suspect, or at least hope, that there is a reason that the OP has failed to understand. This would be a good opportunity to share some understanding. I know when I am heading through a busy water, I am already avoiding the second or third boat by the time I am passing the first. I think Yotties don't always understand the dynamic of running a fast boat in crowded waters. They would simply suggest slowing down if we cant give enough room, but what is enough room? Some are happy with 100m, others want a mile. I do my very best to give every boat, yacht or motor, as large a gap as I can. Sometimes, though, it is closer than I would like due to another hazard that they may not be aware of.
 
One thing to be aware of is in a MOBO you are more likely to be watching the chart plotter. Where most yachts are moving slowly and have plenty of time to plan, check depths etc and are likely to try to cut corners, in a motor boat adding an extra couple of hundred meters to your journey is not a big deal so you are more likely to avoid an underwater obstacle or a bit of shallower water even if you have plenty of depth.
I know I divert around underwater obstacles that I would never hit, just because I can and I can't be arsed checking to be sure I have clearance.
 
CLB said:
The only person that can answer that is the one at the helm of the MOBO. I would dearly love to know too, but I suspect, or at least hope, that there is a reason that the OP has failed to understand. This would be a good opportunity to share some understanding. I know when I am heading through a busy water, I am already avoiding the second or third boat by the time I am passing the first. I think Yotties don't always understand the dynamic of running a fast boat in crowded waters. They would simply suggest slowing down if we cant give enough room, but what is enough room? Some are happy with 100m, others want a mile. I do my very best to give every boat, yacht or motor, as large a gap as I can. Sometimes, though, it is closer than I would like due to another hazard that they may not be aware of.
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Agreed. But I meant why did he make it nasty :):)
 
Bigplumbs said:
If you are going to accuse someone of being a troll just because you don't agree with them it would be a good idea to get their name right

Sorry if I gave the other side of the argument. You obviously live in a world where you like everyone to agree with you
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At what point have you offered the other side of the argument? I was asking why it may be that two motorboats appeared to alter course and pass close to my boat without any apparent reason. Do you have a view on this?

So far on this thread, off the top of my head and in no particular order, you have accused me of hogging the river, getting in peoples way, being inconsiderate, speeding, sailing in a confined area without turning on the engine, expecting others to accommodate me.... need I go on? I don't think I've expressed any of those views, if anything the contrary, and I don't think anyone, including people using the river that morning, have supported them.

Definition of a troll, "(verb), as it relates to internet, is the deliberate act, (by a Troll – noun or adjective), of making random unsolicited and/or controversial comments on various internet forums with the intent to provoke an emotional knee jerk reaction from unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument".

If the cap fits wear it, and don't assume spelling mistakes are necessarily accidental.....
 
Triassic said:
At what point have you offered the other side of the argument? I was asking why it may be that two motorboats appeared to alter course and pass close to my boat without any apparent reason. Do you have a view on this?

So far on this thread, off the top of my head and in no particular order, you have accused me of hogging the river, getting in peoples way, being inconsiderate, speeding, sailing in a confined area without turning on the engine, expecting others to accommodate me.... need I go on? I don't think I've expressed any of those views, if anything the contrary, and I don't think anyone, including people using the river that morning, have supported them.

Definition of a troll, "(verb), as it relates to internet, is the deliberate act, (by a Troll – noun or adjective), of making random unsolicited and/or controversial comments on various internet forums with the intent to provoke an emotional knee jerk reaction from unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument".

If the cap fits wear it, and don't assume spelling mistakes are necessarily accidental.....
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Many of my comments were in reply to the posts of others on this forum not just yours.

Despite being a sailor you came into the Mobo forum to provoke a reaction and you got one. Looking at your definition of a troll I think the cap might fit on your head.

As for why they changed course I suspect it is because having encountered you previously they thought you were going to tack so chose a course that they felt would best suit that action.

I stand by my posts and still feel that you expect others to step aside to accommodate you . How accommodating you are to others I know not
 
Bigplumbs said:
As for why they changed course I suspect it is because having encountered you previously they thought you were going to tack so chose a course that they felt would best suit that action.
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Thanks, that is at least a view.

I don't think we've actually established they were the same two boats we saw on the Thursday, it was just a possibility I mentioned as it might have provided some explanation. Unfortunately during the incident on the Tuesday morning we were sailing slowly on a reach, in a straight line, and parallel to the bank which was about 100m away. We were also sailing directly away from the approaching motor boats.

Them crossing some 300m plus of river, then splitting to go either side of us hardly describes the actions of skippers who thought we were going to tack. If however you think that is a possibility I will certainly bear it in mind in future encounters, although realistically I suspect the chances of me encountering a skipper who thinks like that slim. Just in case though would you mind posting a picture of your boat please.

Cheers,
Triassic.
 
Triassic said:
If however you think that is a possibility I will certainly bear it in mind in future encounters, although realistically I suspect the chances of me encountering a skipper who thinks like that slim. Just in case though would you mind posting a picture of your boat please.

Cheers,
Triassic.
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I'll save him the bother

 
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Triassic said:
Them crossing some 300m plus of river, then splitting to go either side of us hardly describes the actions of skippers who thought we were going to tack. If however you think that is a possibility I will certainly bear it in mind in future encounters, although realistically I suspect the chances of me encountering a skipper who thinks like that slim. Just in case though would you mind posting a picture of your boat please.

Cheers,
Triassic.
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You do have to remember that this was two individual skippers, not acting as one. They both read the situation, and maybe read it slightly differently, hence one in front and one behind. They may have both been wrong, but we don't really know without all the facts.
 
CLB said:
You do have to remember that this was two individual skippers, not acting as one. They both read the situation, and maybe read it slightly differently, hence one in front and one behind. They may have both been wrong, but we don't really know without all the facts.
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Without the facts we don't know indeed, hence I started this thread. It wasn't a case of one in front, one behind as in crossing my path. They were overtaking me, heading down river as I was and they approached in line astern approximately ten to fifteen lengths apart before splitting to go either side of me. I got the distinct impression they were travelling in convoy.

To be honest when I saw them heading across river towards me I was expecting them to slow down and tell me something, I could think of no other reason for their course, however they went straight past with the two on the leading boat bridge deck not even turning to look at me. All very mysterious. As I said earlier perhaps they were just being friendly and didn't appreciate the consequence of their actions, but in those cases you normally get at least a wave. Perhaps they had a waypoint in their auto pilot?
I don't think I'll ever get to the bottom of it.

I think this thread has run it's course, I'm only hanging round now for some more sport with BigPlums, which isn't really very noble of me..... I've been watching the news but not seen anything yet.
 
OP, I was going to suggest that perhaps the lead boat liked the look of your boat and came over for a closer look (his mate just blindly following) but you've now said the leading boat didn't even look at you.

I suspect you will never know...
 
Perhaps they had a waypoint in their auto pilot?
I don't think I'll ever get to the bottom of it.
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Approx GPS position might help make sense of it.
It does sound a but odd, other than the second boat was probably simply following the first.
 
Triassic said:
Thanks, that is at least a view.

I don't think we've actually established they were the same two boats we saw on the Thursday, it was just a possibility I mentioned as it might have provided some explanation. Unfortunately during the incident on the Tuesday morning we were sailing slowly on a reach, in a straight line, and parallel to the bank which was about 100m away. We were also sailing directly away from the approaching motor boats.

Them crossing some 300m plus of river, then splitting to go either side of us hardly describes the actions of skippers who thought we were going to tack. If however you think that is a possibility I will certainly bear it in mind in future encounters, although realistically I suspect the chances of me encountering a skipper who thinks like that slim. Just in case though would you mind posting a picture of your boat please.

Cheers,
Triassic.
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True to form posting snide comments veiled in what looks like a reasonable post, Just what you did coming on to the Mobo forum and posting the first post claiming is it just a reasonable little question when of course it is a pop at mobos. At least I am prepared to say what I mean.

You assume just because I argue the other side of a situation that I would behave badly to other boaters. This is not the case. As I said this is all about you wanting people to keep out of your way because you are sailing and in your view others should accommodate this.
 
Elecglitch said:
I'll save him the bother

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Thanks for that....... Hope you enjoyed the video. That is one of my boats I have 7 others far to many for the OP to remember.

Did you see how considerate we were to the Sail boat passing with plenty of space even though we were in the designated fast area of the river. He did not have his sails up so no chance of our ripples spilling any wind from his sails which I understand now would have been a massive crime
 
Triassic said:
I think this thread has run it's course, I'm only hanging round now for some more sport with BigPlums, which isn't really very noble of me..... I've been watching the news but not seen anything yet.
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Glad you are still here..... I am having fun too
 
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