River Crouch Tuesday morning

To the OP - when we sailed in the Aegean we encountered similar behaviour inasmuch as large mobos would deliberately alter course to pass close by, inevitably causing some rocking and rolling from their not insignificant wash. We had no idea why they did it but the attitudes we encountered in harbour led us to suspect that it was some kind of macho ‘mine is bigger/more expensive than yours’ type of thing. The other theory was that they just wanted to provide something for the guests onboard to look at. In reality we will never know and our theories may, of course, be influenced by our own bias but then we are mobo types so our starting point was that we had something in common. It was only as the holiday progressed that we formed a view that there appeared to be a a disproportionate number of knobs amongst the large mobo community out there when referenced against the general population :)

In the case you describe I am finding it difficult to see any rational navigational reason for the significant course alteration to pass close by so the sightseeing theory is probably not a bad one.
 
Greg2 said:
To the OP - when we sailed in the Aegean we encountered similar behaviour inasmuch as large mobos would deliberately alter course to pass close by, inevitably causing some rocking and rolling from their not insignificant wash. We had no idea why they did it but the attitudes we encountered in harbour led us to suspect that it was some kind of macho ‘mine is bigger/more expensive than yours’ type of thing. The other theory was that they just wanted to provide something for the guests onboard to look at. In reality we will never know and our theories may, of course, be influenced by our own bias but then we are mobo types so our starting point was that we had something in common. It was only as the holiday progressed that we formed a view that there appeared to be a a disproportionate number of knobs amongst the large mobo community out there when referenced against the general population :)

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Good stuff, a possible explanation here.

Some people seem to care a great deal about being seen, to strike the pose. I have loosely thought along these lines when someone anchors a large boat right next door in an open anchorage or when water skiers go through moored boats.
 
But Posting ... 'No Wish to Continue this silliness' is in fact doing just that. It is a comment on others and suggesting that you feel you are above something.

Why not just delete your post and leave it at that
 
Bigplumbs said:
True to form posting snide comments veiled in what looks like a reasonable post, Just what you did coming on to the Mobo forum and posting the first post claiming is it just a reasonable little question when of course it is a pop at mobos. At least I am prepared to say what I mean.

You assume just because I argue the other side of a situation that I would behave badly to other boaters. This is not the case. As I said this is all about you wanting people to keep out of your way because you are sailing and in your view others should accommodate this.
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Give it a rest BP it you you that dragged this thread to the gutter not the OP.
 
Bigplumbs said:
True to form posting snide comments veiled in what looks like a reasonable post, Just what you did coming on to the Mobo forum and posting the first post claiming is it just a reasonable little question when of course it is a pop at mobos. At least I am prepared to say what I mean.

You assume just because I argue the other side of a situation that I would behave badly to other boaters. This is not the case. As I said this is all about you wanting people to keep out of your way because you are sailing and in your view others should accommodate this.
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You really do have an interesting interpretation of what people write. I have never had a "pop at mobos" as you put it. I was certainly annoyed by an incident involving two motor boat skippers and at a bit of a loss as to the reasoning behind it so I thought it best to ask if there may have been an innocent explanation for events rather than leaping to any conclusions.

From where do you form the view that I want people to stay out of my way because I am sailing and that others should accommodate this? If anything I have provided evidence to the contrary, even accepting responsibility for creating a situation where a motor boat was inconvenienced and electing to take action where not required to.

You seem intent on making this a sailing boat verses motor boat thing. It is not. This is about a sailing boat skipper asking members of a motor boat forum if there may have been an innocent explanation for an incident, and him providing some explanation for his reason for doing so.

You haven't argued the other side of a situation, you have offered a view that doesn't stand up to examination and made personal criticism without anything of substance to base it on.

Are you this unpleasant in real life or just when you are hiding behind a keyboard and an assumed name?
 
Don't really think there is any argument, I have met some very pleasant yacht owners & some extremely objectionable, as I have with mobo's, blacks, white, Chinese, Indian ...................
I have been known to stop dead to allow a yacht to pick up a buoy at Essex Marina, a very surprised yacht owner said thanks. I have had yachts do their best to keep out of my way, others cross my bow as if I was invisible, manners some people are sadly lacking, but in all walks of life.
One thing is for sure, if you go out with the attitude that all mobo's or all yacht's are idiots, then this is exactly what you will find, as if you look for problems you will always find them, then perhaps you should find another hobby.
 
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Triassic said:
You really do have an interesting interpretation of what people write. I have never had a "pop at mobos" as you put it. I was certainly annoyed by an incident involving two motor boat skippers and at a bit of a loss as to the reasoning behind it so I thought it best to ask if there may have been an innocent explanation for events rather than leaping to any conclusions.

From where do you form the view that I want people to stay out of my way because I am sailing and that others should accommodate this? If anything I have provided evidence to the contrary, even accepting responsibility for creating a situation where a motor boat was inconvenienced and electing to take action where not required to.

You seem intent on making this a sailing boat verses motor boat thing. It is not. This is about a sailing boat skipper asking members of a motor boat forum if there may have been an innocent explanation for an incident, and him providing some explanation for his reason for doing so.

You haven't argued the other side of a situation, you have offered a view that doesn't stand up to examination and made personal criticism without anything of substance to base it on.

Are you this unpleasant in real life or just when you are hiding behind a keyboard and an assumed name?
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Well unless your name is Triassic you also have an assumed name and are behind your keyboard and screen just the same as me. Once again it is always the others never you. As for unpleasant I feel exactly the same way about you but your arrogance and failure to understand that people do not have to keep out of your way is incredible and you simply don't see it. You harp back to your original post and forget the other posts you have made. Perhaps you would like to read back because you obviously forget.

Many of your posts are snide and I am sure you think yourself clever and can hide behind the words you write.

It is plain you don't like me and I am quite happy to live with that.

Enjoy your boating and I will try and do the same
 
Lol I would like to say that is has been quite fun to read. Not because I agree with or disagree with any of the arguments. The truth be told I just have a strange sense of humour. Who knows what the people done and why they did it but I have enjoyed reading about it. I suppose in the OP defence I get annoyed when I have jetskiers and normal skiers speeding through the boats disturbing my sleeping when I'm at anchor at priory bay.
 
lionelz said:
Lol I would like to say that is has been quite fun to read. Not because I agree with or disagree with any of the arguments. The truth be told I just have a strange sense of humour. Who knows what the people done and why they did it but I have enjoyed reading about it. I suppose in the OP defence I get annoyed when I have jetskiers and normal skiers speeding through the boats disturbing my sleeping when I'm at anchor at priory bay.
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I'd be more worried than annoyed if there were normal skiers anywhere near any boat I was in other than an icebreaker. ;-)
 
Bigplumbs said:
Well unless your name is Triassic you also have an assumed name and are behind your keyboard and screen just the same as me...... plus lots more.....
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Triassic is the name of my boat. It's painted in eight inch high letters on each side of her and there is also a photo above next to my Forum name. It's quite surprising how many people you meet out and about when sailing who make the connection to this forum when they see it. I'm also well aware you could Google Triassic and immediately find out who I am and unfortunately quite a bit about me..... In other words I'm not trying to conceal anything and that's because I've nothing to hide, and I'm not going to say anything to you, or anybody else on here for that matter, that I wouldn't say if you were in front of me. I don't go out of my way to be rude to people, or to accuse them of anything unless I've got the evidence to back it up, and some purpose will be achieved by doing so. I don't start arguments for the sake of them. I do however enjoy a good debate, especially with someone who doesn't necessarily share my view, but it's only a debate if there is an exchange of information or opinion backed up with some substance.

I find you unpleasant because all you have done on this thread is make derogatory comments about me or imply I have said or done things I haven't. Whenever I challenge you on this you simply express further opinion without any attempt at explaining how it was formed. Why don't we do something about that rather than letting this thread deteriorate any further into a slanging match, if that is possible.....
 
What I find annoying on a few occasions is when we are passing Essex marina and by the swinging moorings at Burnham myself and my wife are constantly checking that we are not creating any wash but then there is always a boater totally oblivious to the no wash and/or the 8 knot restrictions and ploughs by us - Yet this is right opposite the crouch harbour authorities.
yet it would appear that nothing is getting enforced - at least if the harbour authority was seen to be clamping down then that would reduce the offenders and possible accidents that could occur.
Jon
 
jon and michie said:
yet it would appear that nothing is getting enforced - at least if the harbour authority was seen to be clamping down then that would reduce the offenders and possible accidents that could occur. Jon
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Yea.... but you try getting to few more quid out of the locals to fund the boat and the staff ? Medway VTS is now based in Liverpool !!!! , fun listening to the accents tho :) Can confirm that MoBo fleets are a bit like sheep and will rigidly follow the bloke in front, even unto disaster. Well remember the lead boat in a little Flottila from a prestious Thames club ( their opinion) getting it seriously wrong, heading the wrong side of Medway Fort and all about to come to sudden and very muddy halt. A radio shout from concerned onlooker helpfully pointing out the error saved the day.
 
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Bigplumbs said:
But Posting ... 'No Wish to Continue this silliness' is in fact doing just that. It is a comment on others and suggesting that you feel you are above something.

Why not just delete your post and leave it at that
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Ok I’ll bite. I’m not above anything. I just don’t like to see silly squabbling on this forum. Happy now?!
 
Getting back to the original post, I'm just wondering if theres a possibility of any debris floating around at that time that the lead Mobo might have been trying to avoid, pulling the following boat with him. I know in the Hamble there can sometimes be large masses of weed, which on its own can cause a problem with water intakes etc, but also occasionally conceals a log, part of a pallet, or in some cases 4 inch fence posts.......

Dave
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It could be more mundane. If I saw a yacht doing 12 to 13knts I'd be impressed andctempted enough to have a closer look. I understand these trimarans can fly along and are pretty impressive. To the OP it may well have been a bit of a blundered compliment rather than an act of rudeness
 
I'm pretty sure when all is said on done there was no malice intended that Tuesday morning. I suspect it was simply a case of them not appreciating the consequence of their actions and my reaction may have been a little bit disproportionate. I apologise if my initial post came across as a bit of a rant, and I'm sorry part of this thread turned into a bit of a squabble, but hopefully not to much harm done.

Trying to sail in those conditions with both wind and tide behind you, and only around 15 degrees of separation between them, is always going to be challenging and the vast majority of sail boats wouldn't have even been trying to (even my colleague in a sister boat had given up and was motoring) so it's probably a little unfair of me to expect everyone to appreciate my point of view.

Fair winds everyone, or whatever the equivalent is in motor boat terms.
Cheers,
Nigel
 
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