Rival 36

[Solwaycruiser]

I am in the market for my next boat and have seen a Rival 36. What I need is a boat capable of family coastal sailing just now but OK for short handed sailing further afield in a few years time. Any comments please on the Rival for this purpose?

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[sailorman]

1 4 sale in fox`s marina boat sales ( ipswich)
01473 689111

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[Ohdrat]

Very seaworthy and often used for blue water cruising.. not a performance (as in round the cans) type.

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[Twister_Ken]

Good go anywhere cruiser. As for single handing, Clare Francis sailed 38 foot version in the Transat.

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[pragmatist]

Wonderful Rivals !

Haven't sailed a 36 but our R41A is truly wonderful. She is easy to single-hand, so beautifully balanced we rarely need an autopilot. After a Sadler 29 we wondered if she'd be sluggish in light airs and were pleasurably surprised - she'll go in a F2-3 and being heavy she slices through waves which stop lighter boats. We've had her 7 years and are still in love !

Many Rivals go long distance - the Rival mag. even gives a blithe account of a couple with their 13yr old daughter popping round the Horn ! The boats certainly inspire confidence - we haven't been out in too many blows but when we have she's just revelled in it !

Our only criticisms are a lack of space/stowage by comparison with more modern designs - but that's what you get if you choose that style of boat. And close-quarters handling, such as marinas, is "interesting". To save further grey hairs we fitted a bow-thruster - not necessary but does make life easier.

Highly recommended - if you hadn't guessed !

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[kilkerr1]

I'm jealous, one of my fave boats.

Have a look at the for info and also at the <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.projcom.co.uk/rival/index.html>Not the Rival Owner's Association. Go figure, but both look like they may be useful sites.

Good luck.



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[sailbadthesinner]

agree lovely boats
never had the opportuntiy to get in one but a real go anywhere beauty
if the opportunity to own one comes up
a donf
as our ellen would say

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[kilkerr1]

Well, there's a lovely little Rival 31 project <A target="_blank" HREF=http://kilkerr.members.easyspace.com/santateresa_pics.htm>Santa Teresa and other t'ings

 

[sailbadthesinner]

oooooooooooh no lucy would kill me
i spy a big money pit
nice boat tho
you tempted?

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[kilkerr1]

'Course I'm tempted! I'm always tempted by boats I love who look a little down in the mouth. Or even a lot down in the mouth. Absoultely no way though, we simply don't have anywhere near enough money even to buy her. Dreams will have to suffice for the mo'.

Unless... /forums/images/icons/wink.gif



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[sailbadthesinner]

maybe one day
unfortunately the 'big' of my 'big boat fund' describes the boat and not the fund /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
and lucy wants to rename it the mothercare fund /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
top of my list was an optimist
which is what i am

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[ChrisE]

For all droolers, some vital statistics.

Rival 36



The R36 was the sixth and last RIVAL designed by Peter Brett and comes in three basic versions. Deep draft, Scheel keel, and Centre board. 78 R36s were built. The first being launched in 1980.



L.O.A. 35' 10"

L.W.L. 27' 2"

Beam 11' 0"

Draft 3' 9"and 6' 9" or 6' 0"

Displacement 14,250 lbs

As an R38a owner I'd say that the r36 is probably the best of series as a compromise of robustness and sailing performance

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[Solwaycruiser]

Thanks to all for the replies. I was hoping the 36 might have a reasonable performance and I think that will be the case. I have posted a wanted advert on the Rival Owners page so will see if I get any replies. The one in Ipswich has a scheel keel and cutter rig, is owner finished and has just been treated for osmosis. The one down south has the deep keel and sloop rig, is factory finished and is being treated now for osmosis. Any comments on the rig or keel options welcomed.

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[Birdseye]

It doesnt have a reasonable performance in my view. I sailed alongside one for a couple of days off France a couple of years back, and I was genuinely quite surprised by how badly it performed. Sail slowly and pitches.

Pointed less well than my Prout cat which is hardly the answer to windward work.

Probably very safe and secure but as a heavy old fashioned type of design, dont expect good performance by modern standards except perhaps in a howling gale.

Quite put me off a boat that I had fancied.

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[jonjo]

Re: Ohlson 38

I thought Clare Francis did the Trasat in an Ohlson 38?

The Rival 38 is quite tubby and is not a scaled up R34 or scaled down R41.

The Rival 36 was different again.

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[alant]

I regularly sail a well used Sigma 36 for a sailing school & cannot agree that it has any problems to windward. You sure the boat you saw wasn't 'hove to'. Yes they like a 'howling gale', yes they don't have the room or freeboard of a modern AWB, but I know which I'd choose to sail offshore. Reefing also is much easier & safer than most AWB because you are lower down on the coachroof.
Are they a family boat for short handed sailing? Set up correctly yes - no vices.
Will they turn heads in a Marina, probably only amongst those who can appreciate a good classic design.
Will SWMBO be impressed, probably not if comparing below stairs with an AWB.
Why not contact me & I'll put you in touch with the school for a taster sail so you can assess it yourself prior to spending £'s - invite SWMBO as well.

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[Birdseye]

I agree with you about the Sigma 36 - its an excellent boat to windward, and a pleasure to helm. Not quite sure what this has to do with the Rival 36 which is a complete contrast and, as you suggest, a traditional design (read old fashioned?) with some virtues in heavy weather and lots of disadvantages the rest of the time.

On the other hand, if you want something with small internal volume, slow sailing, doesnt point high, expensive, but well made - its the boat for you. The sailing equivalent of a Rover? And about as exciting.

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[westhinder]

The Rival 36 is latest in the series and definitely the fastest, while retaining all the excellent sea-keeping qualities.
As you might expect, the deep keel version points a little higher than the Scheel keel, but the difference is not dramatic.
Build quality is very high, as is the factory finish. Stowage is excellent. If you plan to make longer voyages, here's a great boat for a couple.
Do I recommend them? Most certainly.
Am I biased? Owning a Rival 34, so most probably.


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[ChrisE]

Quite tubby!

You are talking about the woman I love, handbags at dawn, sir.



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[Twister_Ken]

Re: Ohlson 38

OK, I'm standing in the corner with a Dunce's hat on!

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