Pye_End
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From the page I linked to above:
For a start, a portmanteau isn’t necessarily a single suitcase, but can be two or three strapped together
Riddle of the sands........new mystery
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From the page I linked to above:
For a start, a portmanteau isn’t necessarily a single suitcase, but can be two or three strapped together
Poecheng
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Well, just watching the film for the umpteenth time and found this thread.
In the film, when Caruthers gets the train purporting to leave, he has it with him.
When he alights with a view to changing into the sailor's garb, he picks the portmanteau up from the train and takes it into the railway inn. He comes out dressed as a sailor and, having no further need for it, puts it into the back of a passing cart before slinging a white duffel bag over his shoulder.
In the film, when Caruthers gets the train purporting to leave, he has it with him.
When he alights with a view to changing into the sailor's garb, he picks the portmanteau up from the train and takes it into the railway inn. He comes out dressed as a sailor and, having no further need for it, puts it into the back of a passing cart before slinging a white duffel bag over his shoulder.
Poecheng
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In the book it seems to be referred to later on (Chapter XXV) as Caruther's "bag".
Davies packs Caruther's 'bag' etc.
Later, Caruther's buys the crappy sailor's clothes and they are placed within a bag or binding (umber bundle) within his portmanteau ('bag'). Having changed into his sailor's clothes he leaves the portmanteau ('bag') in the station cloakroom:
“At nine I was in the Jewish quarter, striking bargains in an infamous marine slop-shop. At half-past nine I was despatching this unscrupulous telegram to my chief—'Very sorry, could not call Norderney; hope extension all right; please write to Hôtel du Louvre, Paris.' At ten I was in the perfect bed, rapturously flinging my limbs abroad in its glorious redundancies. And at 8.28 on the following morning, with a novel chilliness about the upper lip, and a vast excess of strength and spirits, I was sitting in a third-class carriage, bound for Germany, and dressed as a young seaman, in a pea-jacket, peaked cap, and comforter.
The transition had not been difficult. I had shaved off my moustache and breakfasted hastily in my bedroom, ready equipped for a journey in my ulster and cloth cap. I had dismissed the hotel porter at the station, and left my bag at the cloak-room, after taking out of it an umber bundle and substituting the ulster. The umber bundle, which consisted of my oilskins, and within them my sea-boots and a few other garments and necessaries, the whole tied up with a length of tarry[…]”
Davies packs Caruther's 'bag' etc.
Later, Caruther's buys the crappy sailor's clothes and they are placed within a bag or binding (umber bundle) within his portmanteau ('bag'). Having changed into his sailor's clothes he leaves the portmanteau ('bag') in the station cloakroom:
“At nine I was in the Jewish quarter, striking bargains in an infamous marine slop-shop. At half-past nine I was despatching this unscrupulous telegram to my chief—'Very sorry, could not call Norderney; hope extension all right; please write to Hôtel du Louvre, Paris.' At ten I was in the perfect bed, rapturously flinging my limbs abroad in its glorious redundancies. And at 8.28 on the following morning, with a novel chilliness about the upper lip, and a vast excess of strength and spirits, I was sitting in a third-class carriage, bound for Germany, and dressed as a young seaman, in a pea-jacket, peaked cap, and comforter.
The transition had not been difficult. I had shaved off my moustache and breakfasted hastily in my bedroom, ready equipped for a journey in my ulster and cloth cap. I had dismissed the hotel porter at the station, and left my bag at the cloak-room, after taking out of it an umber bundle and substituting the ulster. The umber bundle, which consisted of my oilskins, and within them my sea-boots and a few other garments and necessaries, the whole tied up with a length of tarry[…]”
Wansworth
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Going to re read for the umptenth time to see if further light can be shed on the missing luggage....
Poecheng
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There is mention of a Gladstone (bag), however. :encouragement:
Davies asks C upon meeting him whether he could manage with just the Gladstone. It's unlikely a Gladstone could carry the gear D and C later put in the 'bag' that is ultimately left in the station cloakroom.
Always worth a re-read - I understand more of their antics each time I read it.
Sybarite
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Trivia
The author, Erskine Childers was executed for gun running in his yacht Asgard.
His son was the 4th President of Ireland.
His grandson (also called Erskine) was at school with my eldest sister.
After we left the area, the school used our house as a student residence.
The house had previously been a nursery until rats killed two babies.
Nobody would live there.
My father, raised on a farm, said that no rat would get the better of him.
Consequently we lived in a fine Georgian residence.
Where I was born.
The author, Erskine Childers was executed for gun running in his yacht Asgard.
His son was the 4th President of Ireland.
His grandson (also called Erskine) was at school with my eldest sister.
After we left the area, the school used our house as a student residence.
The house had previously been a nursery until rats killed two babies.
Nobody would live there.
My father, raised on a farm, said that no rat would get the better of him.
Consequently we lived in a fine Georgian residence.
Where I was born.
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Kukri
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On a point of information, he was not executed for gun running in his very fine yacht “Asgard”, designed and built for him by Colin Archer as a wedding present from his Irish-American parents in law. The gun running is amusingly described by Conor O’Brien in one of his books as he also took part in his own boat.
Childers was executed by the Free State for being in possession of a revolver which had been given him by Michael Collins.
I think one might have to be Irish to understand exactly what was going on at that point but I take it that Childers was so to speak of the Fianna Fáil persuasion rather than of the Fine Gael persuasion at that time.
Childers was executed by the Free State for being in possession of a revolver which had been given him by Michael Collins.
I think one might have to be Irish to understand exactly what was going on at that point but I take it that Childers was so to speak of the Fianna Fáil persuasion rather than of the Fine Gael persuasion at that time.
Slowtack
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Not my bag.......but in this case, very likely a literary portmanteau.
Hydrozoan
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I enjoyed this book on Childers' sailing exploits: http://www.librarything.com/work/1901838/reviews/79570637
JumbleDuck
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dgadee
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Mobile posted before I was ready!
How do the stop a wooden yacht from drying out when it becomes a museum piece?
How do the stop a wooden yacht from drying out when it becomes a museum piece?
JumbleDuck
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You don't care if it does, I suspect.
Poecheng
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I have a very distant memory (from an early edition of Classic Boat) that wooden boats in museums were drying out badly and that if they were 'painted' in antifreeze then this caused them to retain their moisture and therefore their structure.
dgadee
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'Me' or 'one'? Would not look good for the founding stories of the Republic if there were gaps appearing between planks.
JumbleDuck
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One, sorry. If it's not intended to float again then gaps could presumably be filled as they appeared.
Ohlin Karcher
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The Mary Rose and the Vasa are kept in strictly controlled humidity, I saw the Vasa quite soon after she was pulled out, and they just had hundreds of water jets spraying all over the timbers.
The Cutty Sark suffered rot, rust and serious structural issues due to poor conservation work in the 50's, eg using plywood which held rot in, resulting in the neccessity of a total rebuild, resulting in the fire which destroyed almost eveything original.
(Arson is suspected by many in the Cutty Sark case, like Brighton W.Pier and Notre Dame Cathedral, but we will never know).
You can find detailed and fascinating answers to the questions, does it matter, do we care, etc in the brilliant publications of the National Historic Ships people.
"Conserving Historic Ships" Volume 3 in particular
The Cutty Sark suffered rot, rust and serious structural issues due to poor conservation work in the 50's, eg using plywood which held rot in, resulting in the neccessity of a total rebuild, resulting in the fire which destroyed almost eveything original.
(Arson is suspected by many in the Cutty Sark case, like Brighton W.Pier and Notre Dame Cathedral, but we will never know).
You can find detailed and fascinating answers to the questions, does it matter, do we care, etc in the brilliant publications of the National Historic Ships people.
"Conserving Historic Ships" Volume 3 in particular
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