RIB drivers. Ignorant or inconsiderate?

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I don't see why there can't be a no-wash requirement and a speed limit; the two are not mutually exclusive.
Because the public are stupid! But also because people who make rules and put up signs rarely actually test if what they wrote is understood by their target audience. If you want no wash - say no wash. If you say “no wash; 5 knots” some people will decide that since absolutely no wash is almost impossible, the wash produced at 5 knots must be ok.
 

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Do the power boat owners stay chatty when you move on, to fuel consumption?

These days that is a cause for despondency. They’d have to be seriously unpleasant before I’d rub that in. Besides, have you seen the price of new sails recently.
 

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I keep my general air of smugness to myself, in the main. It is odd though how many power boat owners will make conversation, usually about performance, and how many yacht owners will avoid eye contact. Obviously, the boat is famously ‘not a yacht’. The NYYC gave us that label, a lifetime ago.
I raced against something like yours once (Erith YCs Frostbite race). I was in my 26ft 1970s cruiser and later discovered I had the same handicap as the much larger trimaran. Apparently it was my fault for not lying enough when they were working out my rating.
 

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I raced against something like yours once (Erith YCs Frostbite race). I was in my 26ft 1970s cruiser and later discovered I had the same handicap as the much larger trimaran. Apparently it was my fault for not lying enough when they were working out my rating.
Thats a bit shitty. We have a fairly well established handicap, being a production boat. There’s not much ducking and diving to be done.
 

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Other than that I can't imagine why anyone would be annoyed about yachts, with our steady displacement speeds, so its not saying much that you can't find people hostile to us.
not sure if you were serious or not? I’ve met plenty of other yachties I don’t like - I’m sure if I were inclined to stereotype I’d get wound up about yachts motorsailing without a cone (and the guesswork if they will give way) or who believe they have a right of way because someone put some cans out in a triangle and they are going round them or leaving their tenders tied up in the wrong place. (Many a pontoon this year seems to be blocked with tenders tied in places intended for those RIBs, Dayboats etc who don’t have tenders - because the yachts didn’t bring long enough string to tie it up in the right place amongst all their other tenders which get left their for days or weeks at a time hampering access for people who actually want to visit the shore and spend money! Like bad rib drivers one or two get away with it and soon everyone starts thinking its acceptable).
Do the powerboat owners stay chatty when you move on, to fuel consumption?
I think this is a misplaced feeling of superiority. Nobody bought a powerboat expecting good fuel consumption. In fact some seem quite proud of their dinosaur-burning credentials, and being able to burn £100/hr is just a sign of your affluence! (FWIW I'm not convinced that there's actually that big a difference in typical leisure use running costs. When did a RIB need standing rigging replaced? plenty of other costs like running rigging, lift outs, antifouling, that soon add up). There would be if a RIB spent as long travelling as a yacht - but at 30 knots most ribs can spend longer at the destination and less time getting there. For non-sailing spouses and children that may be more attractive, certainly I've noticed plenty of happy families using ribs.
 

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You’d be surprised, Westernman. That’s in maybe 30 kn of wind. Personally I wouldnt push so hard in those conditions, but I’d most likely stay with even a balls out racer in more favourable conditions and the right point of sailing. Not an AC75 obviously. Pogos and the like, a fast 40, that sort of thing, we regularly encounter, and it’s nip and tuck. Hard on the wind, they’ll pull away. Otherwise probably not. But I sail 2 up with my wife, and have a finite pocket for broken gear. We’ll always back off in stronger wind.
 

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Given the huge number of people who take part accidents are pretty rare. I'd guess more yachties are harmed driving to their boat than RIB passengers on the water - its just that when it happens its very high profile. Certainly plenty of yachtmen come to grief in far less headline grabbing scenarios just from falling overboard, being hit with booms, slipping getting out of tenders when drunk etc. I've little tolerance for anyone helming boats and putting others at risk; I'm not convinced that stigmatising the boat type is logical - there's loads of perfectly competent and respectable helms - and many who will come to the aid of a sailor who needs a tow/push or even a hand picking up a mooring in bouncy conditions.

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There is usually a suitable Monty Python sketch to sum up attitudes on this or anything else. How about the travel agent one with the endless rant about Watneys Red Barrell and Torremolinos?
 

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I’m perfectly aware of those and have read every one. Plenty of other accidents in other types of craft too. Plenty more which don’t get full investigations. And none of the deaths on our roads ever get this sort of analysis, yet probably have far more common causes to learn from. As with almost all MAIB reports the problem isn’t the boat it’s the operator.
 

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Indeed. I could also have picked a Pogo at 22 knots.....

I don't think there are any cruising cats which do that. They tend to reef before they get up to a decent speed as they are afraid of pitchpoling and turning turtle.
I can think of several cruising cats that can indeed hit 22kn. But I don’t have a cruising cat. If I did, it would probably be one of these
Dazcat 1295 - The Multihull Centre
 
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