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I have been delving into my ancestors and have a problem knowing whether I should claim a British title….
Here is the story to date.
I am a 5th generation Aussie.. Both Grand’s x 5 arrived in the First fleet (he on a trumped up charge as he was a master stonemason.. she on a charge that said she held up someone at gunpoint… now I cannot believe that, can you???)
They met on arrival in New South Wales, were sent to Norfolk Island , married , had a dozen children , who kept doing the same till I came along.

Now Grandma x 5, seems to have been the daughter of the High Sheriff of Yorkshire John Gascoigne of Wentworth Castle (John appears to have been a Naval Captain commanding HMS Greyhound)

Grannies problems seem to have stemmed from a dispute within the family. Seems her parents were the originals of a line which merged with the Wentworths, to become the Earls of Strafford.
At the time Granny was born the Strafford’s estates were carved up, Grannies parents inherited the title of High Sheriff of Yorkshire plus the use of Wentworth Castle.

The Earls of Strafford were the cousins of the Marquis of Liverpool, the Duke of Argyle , the Duke of Clarence and the Duke of Cumberland and were Yorkshire Aristocrats ( even had estates in Longford County in Ireland

It all gets confused from here as along come the Vernons, who were a descendant branch of the Wentworths who had estates in Hilton Park, Staffordshire and Droitwych.. Now give a bit of intermarriage by a few cousins and we find that along comes Sir Thomas Watson Wentworth PM of England 1782.

Ok enough of all of this... I just want to know if any of that land or any of the Titles are worth having.. I could come over and claim one or more of them. Can any Pommie BBer give me some advice please?
BrianJ

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Hmm .. you got me thinking .. not only are you the progeny of british criminal exports but they were progeny of piratatical comrades of William the Conqueror .. you ought to be ashamed of yourself and hope you are'nt asked to compensate the offspring of the dispossessed Anglo Saxons .. as for me I'm a direct descendant from Macbeth and have been desperately seeking Canmore's descendents to sue.

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If I were you I would uphold the great Aussie tradition of a classless society and resist the temptation to participate in an antiquated, pompous load of B*****s


PS recently a rather pompous family moved into a castle / estate close to some friends of mine and immediately started to try and lord it over the locals .. trying to play laird... needless to say they have been ostrasized (is this anything to do with Ostriches?) and cannot undestand why they so unpopular!.. <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Ohdrat on 01/09/2004 08:58 (server time).</FONT></P>
 
I think I prefer you as the shackle-dragging disrespectful beer swilling lout that I've come to know and love rather than thinking that you might be a descendant of some upper class twit.
Hilton Park is a service station on the M6 North of Birmingham - its not very good but the turnover must be considerable judging by the prices so you might be worth a bob or two - in which case I trust you'll remember the true, genuine and lasting friendship that we have established here, Brian my dear old cauiliflower.

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I would go for it .... I have a distnat claim to around the east coast area ..... Luther origins ! BUt never get around to asking ....

If you don't ask - you never know and always wonder.



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I don't really know how to put this nicely, so I'll just say it. Are you certain that Granny x5 was legitimate? Men of power and influence in those times (in these times also it seems) fathered a great many children by women they were not married to. It might be that your Granny x5 was illegitimate and became an embarrassment or annoyance, and that's why she was shipped out to the colonies?? Sounds more likely to me than armed roberry................

Tony C.

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We've just been contacted by a distant relative from Canada who has been researching the family name for years, It seems an a direct ancestor of mine was sentenced to 7 years in the colonies. His crime? He stole 3 bushels of chicken sh*t and a sack of beans from a farm. Bloody marvelous! No chance of an unclaimed title there. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif Regards, Mike.

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