Report from Belfast trip, bort new boat!

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I have had an e-mail from Haydn requesting that I come out of my boating retirement to sort out this delivery trip. As some of you will know, I was based at Kip for many years and have extensive Clyde/West of Scotland/Irish experience. I have not been contributing a lot because I have now gone about 18 months boatless (the first in 20 odd years) and, to be honest, I am not missing the marina fees, repair bills, fuel bills, antifouling, insurance and worrying about whether the EU were going abolish red diesel. On the other hand, I still get the nautical pangs now and again.

I have not been contributing really because, I feel a bit of a fraud talking about boats when I don't have one (for now anyway!)

OK, turning now to the actual trip from Coleraine to the Clyde, its a bit more than 80 miles but I won't split hairs over ten miles here or there. It could be longer, depending on the wind direction and diversions. If the wind is actually or forecast southerly or south westerly or points in between with any strength (4/5 or above) at any time during your projected journey time, don't do it. In a 38 ton boat it may be better than in my former 8 ton Birchwood but its still going to be unpleasant at least and maybe even dangerous. Probably OK in a Westerly short of a gale (giving you a following sea). Northerly will be uncomfortable initially but ease as you come into the lee of the Scottish coast. Easterly won't affect you much at all except perhaps rounding the MUll of Kintyre. The North Channel is a horrible tip of a funnel so if the wind has any South in it at all, it piles up all the way up the Irish sea into what is quite a narrow gap making for enormous seas.

As to route, use Campbeltown which is a safe enclosed harbour in any weather as a primary bolt hole. You are only talking circa 20 miles from Coleraine. If the weather is settled, you can do the trip in one leg easily. The boat looks like displacement speeds so maybe 8/9 knots = 10 Hours. If the wind is in the West, turn left at the Mull of Kintyre and go up the Kilbrannan sound between Arran and the Mull of Kintyre and thereafter via Tignabruaich through the Kyles of Bute. Actually, you might want to go this way anyway as it is the most scenic if the weather is kind. At the Rothesay exit, you only have about ten miles left to Kip. Again, if the wind is Southerly or South Westerly that leg can be interesting but only uncomfortable in a 38 tonner in anything up to a gale. Having said that, the other day the 600 ton Rothsay Wemyss Bay Ferry Service had to be suspended!

So, in short, it can be done in December/January but

a) Get a good weather window
b) Make sure you have confidence in the boat - the North Channel is no place to break down although there is a handy lifeboat in Campeltown.

Finally, if you are approaching Kip in the dark, take care as the entrance is quite narrow and involves a 90 degree turn very close to the shore. The channel is not illuminated except by one miserable little flashing green buoy which is very difficult to pick out because of background street lights, etc. I would advise locating the chimney at Wemyss Bay power station which in most weathers (other than heavy rain or mist) is visible for miles. Immediately below that there is a pier. Locate that and then run at 005 degrees magnetic from there, parallel to the shore for about a mile and then you should be close enough to see the buoy marking the entrance. Much more than a mile and you've missed it and watch out then for the south facing beach just West of the entrance.

If you need any more help let me know. I'll send you my contact details.

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Re: By special request from HLB

Nice to see you back Nick, we've all missed you and an excellent and informative post.

Don't feel guitly about not having a boat and posting here, there's several hereabouts who are in the same boat, or not actually, and there's one in particular who's been talking of spending mega dosh on a boat for the last umpteen months but hasn't taken the plunge yet and has now gleaned so much knowledge from the board here that he's answering other newbies questions. And from no first hand experience at all.

So hang around and get posting again. Gotta be better for us than reading that drivel we get from Haydn. As you'll see, he's not improved over the past 18 months.
 

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But nick. you have to stay here.we need you. I've done my best draging you down from the high lands or the Fu**ing lowlands. You can not just come and F*** off.

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Mr learner take note "I have not been contributing really because, I feel a bit of a fraud talking about boats when I don't have one (for now anyway!)" We want Nick Back. Hang on I'll rumage around and find his email. And here it is. dog him even petriffy him, get him back here. Blast him. everyone email him. This is our finest hour!!
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Email message back to Nick

[ah em!] off we need a consultent like a hole in the head. We do need you back on the forum though.. I can not keep parrying messages of. Wheres Nick. It's still a fun place. And we have even got Learner with750 odd posts, And still no boat yet. You will not be out of place I assure you . With this set of wankers about.Haydn

I hope this meets with the pannels aproval.

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Hey Nick, how've you been? Good to hear from you. Thanks v much for the highly informative post, I'm going to buy charts next week and study some more, at the moment I'm using AA map. But I'll print off your instructions and use them. The trip is likely to be in about a month, very much subject to weather window of course. I might get in touch again with more questions. My brother knows the Scottish side a bit - he has a boat in Dunstaffanage but it is a small chugger and has not been to Ireland. He has plodded around Sound of Mull, Fing's cave, Crinan Canal etc etc. Longer term, this new monster may live in Dunstaf, but Kip will be convenient at first because easier to get to to do a bit of work (namely, install electric dive compressor in engine room, and new set of nav electronics)

I'm quite looking forward to cruising W Scotland. I have never done it (apart from the Sealine trip in L Lomond when visit Cameron house, but that's hardly the same!) but I just know it will be beautiful. Our own boat has moved to the Med (got bored with Solent) so no chance of doing Scotland, till younger brother found this new baby. It's 33 tons light, big tanks so 37 all up I guess, and displacement speeds say 9-10 cruise with Vosper Thorneycroft stabilisers
 

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Yup, they're volvos. To be honest, I don't have a prob with the big 6cyl slow revving Volvos (these are 2100rpm cruise, 2400rpm max). It's only the 4000rpm KAD series that I think might wear a bit fast.

Yes we'll get charged top $ for branded spares, but these are oldish engines and we can find cheaper sources I think.

The heads were removed last year and all valves reseated and camshafts renewed etc etc. The bores were inspected and found to be perfect. The seller of this boat is the most manically fastidious guy you could imagime (see router post above) and he has the engines in top condition.

Hours are 700 on one engine 1400 on the other. Apparaently one was changed 10 years ago, dont know why, dont care.
 
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If you e-mail me your address I can lend you Irish and Firth of Clyde pilots + any charts you might need which can be returned when you get to Kip

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We dont get many folks on here from Scotland. Well not much info about it anyway. It's fantastic boating up there. But not mambypamby like the Solent. The West coast is also very sheltered so once up passed Arran, hardly ever any big seas. Theres the major marinas Like Kip, Troon and Larges. But after that. It's all proper boating with anchors and harbour walls, much more fun if not faint hearted. You would not believe the amount of harbours and Islands to visit. Would take a life time. We went up from Wales in the P33 via IOM.
Portpartrick is a lovely quaint little Harour. Then across to Cambeltown and up lough Fyne, then ambled slowly up the Kibrannan Sound to Tarbet and beond. It's like going back 50 years, everything moves very slowly up there. Then to the crinnan canal. It's quite knackering you do all the locks by hand. 14 locks in 9 miles. Feels sort of strange looking down the mountain with the sea at the bottom and you lumbering over it with a sea boat. At Crinnan we met up with The Vital Spark. From the TV series. Then up to Oban and Tobermoray On Mull. The scenery is breathtaking and surprisingly theres loads to do on the Islands, very cosmopolitan with folk from all over the world. Quite a laugh in some of the pubs at night, not sufisticated if you like that sort of thing. Go to Milport on Great Cubrae about end of July. The whole town is turned into the wild west. The beach is Boot Hill with loads of humourus tomb stones and the butcher sells Desperate Dan, Mad Cow Pies. Anything that floats gets in the Harbour. Its a laugh when they all get pissed and throw each other in the harbour. Especialy as there was only a foot of water in. They did not half bounce!!

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Re: Welcome back Nick

And if Nick does a bunk again. I've got the Firth of Clyde pilot thingy here. But charts on boat so cant have them. but hang on, we will be down Plymouth before you go so. Maybe!!
Cold even drop them off at that wotsit place if you like.
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Dear Haydn

Thank you for inviting me back. I had forgotton what a way with words you have.

In response to all my fans, I will be tempted out of retirement and get the old scribing going again, boat or no boat. And I promise to behave - no racist slurs on English (at least not many), references to stunning Scottish victories at rugby and, in particular nothing derogatory about the yellow wellies because, if I buy another boat, its likely to be a motor sailor so I would have one foot in either camp so to speak.

Nick
 
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