sailorman
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that wont please the retailer if he gets stuck with a roll of it
Replacing Cooker Gas Hose
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GrahamM376
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A cautionary note. Although a visual condition check can't be made, some cooker installation instructions such as our Neptune specify armoured hose so could be a problem in the event of insurance claim following a fire if non-armoured hoses are fitted.
Aurai
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Hi, Reading this Forum thread straight after reading the
MAIB Report on the Windermere CO fatalities does make you wonder about where DIY should start and end on safety critical items? This quote from the report expresses the MAIB misgivings.
Do-it-yourself (DIY) work is very popular in the marine leisure sector and is seen as an enjoyable part of boat ownership. It also helps to reduce the costs of running and maintaining a boat.
Nonetheless, there are numerous systems on board boats that, regardless of a boat owner’s engineering and mechanical skills, should only be installed, maintained or modified by a qualified marine engineer. In such situations, marine engineers should also follow equipment manufacturers’ instructions and use the correct tools and materials. The financial cost of using marine engineers to complete safety-critical work is inevitably more expensive than the cost of ‘DIY’. However, where safety critical systems are concerned such expenditure should be factored in to the cost of boat ownership.
Just a thought
MAIB Report on the Windermere CO fatalities does make you wonder about where DIY should start and end on safety critical items? This quote from the report expresses the MAIB misgivings.
Do-it-yourself (DIY) work is very popular in the marine leisure sector and is seen as an enjoyable part of boat ownership. It also helps to reduce the costs of running and maintaining a boat.
Nonetheless, there are numerous systems on board boats that, regardless of a boat owner’s engineering and mechanical skills, should only be installed, maintained or modified by a qualified marine engineer. In such situations, marine engineers should also follow equipment manufacturers’ instructions and use the correct tools and materials. The financial cost of using marine engineers to complete safety-critical work is inevitably more expensive than the cost of ‘DIY’. However, where safety critical systems are concerned such expenditure should be factored in to the cost of boat ownership.
Just a thought
sailorman
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Oyster Yachts do not fit armoured hoses from new
sailorman
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Have you got any stats on fatalities due to diy compared to "professional" work carried our
pvb
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That's very unlikely. The Boat Safety Scheme, about the only resource of "official" recommendations, is quite happy with ordinary hose. I would never use armoured hose on a low-pressure connection, as it can't be properly inspected.
Hadenough
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So fit a bubble leak detector! The BSS's acceptance of a plain rubber hose secured with jubilee clips behind a cooker, on the basis that it "can be inspected" has always baffled me. I much prefer a braided hose with proper unions.
doug748
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I must own up that I do rather ignore all the woebegone warnings on these pages.
However, I did once have a gas leak and I can tell you that your snout is very sensitive. Probably more so than the gas detector - which I have not got.
After much huffing and puffing, and having his palm anointed with 150 pound notes, the gas man finally tracked the fault down to the braided hose which was weeping intermittently.
Seeing as there is still a leak and he over tightened every olive in the system and replaced the dodgy line with the same type, I will be doing it myself next time.
However, I did once have a gas leak and I can tell you that your snout is very sensitive. Probably more so than the gas detector - which I have not got.
After much huffing and puffing, and having his palm anointed with 150 pound notes, the gas man finally tracked the fault down to the braided hose which was weeping intermittently.
Seeing as there is still a leak and he over tightened every olive in the system and replaced the dodgy line with the same type, I will be doing it myself next time.
pvb
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You obviously haven't read the MAIB report. The owner of the boat, who carried out the lethal modifications, was "Gas Safe" registered. Just a thought....
Aurai
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Stats
Again from the MAIB Report, but not cross referring DIY with professional fit out!
The BSS records data of CO related incidents concerning boats on inland waterways and also on coastal boats having similar characteristics to inland craft. Table 3 shows data for a 20 year period, up to February 2014, in which 30 boat related CO fatalities were recorded, the largest number of fatalities was caused by portable petrol generators.
Source of CO Fatalities
Portable petrol generator. 9
LPG Appliance. 8
Solid/multi fuel appliance. 6
Petrol outboard engine. 5
Oil fired(diesel) stove 1
Portable diesel generator 1
Table 3: BSS data – CO fatalities
To place that in some sort of perspective, Manufacturing Companies with thousands of employees can easily go 20 years without a single fatality. Though they tend to exclude employees in Company Cars involved in fatal crashes from such figures!
While 30/20 is 1.5 Fatalities per year over the many thousands of small boat owners in the UK. The report also makes it quite clear that working alarms might have saved the two from any amount of poor workmanship!
The workmanship failings that contributed to the Windermere fatalities were from a DIY owner who was a qualified plumber, but who failed to realise that copper pipe work and soldered joints OK for, say, Central heating, might not be appropriate for engine exhaust gas temperatures.
Cheers
Again from the MAIB Report, but not cross referring DIY with professional fit out!
The BSS records data of CO related incidents concerning boats on inland waterways and also on coastal boats having similar characteristics to inland craft. Table 3 shows data for a 20 year period, up to February 2014, in which 30 boat related CO fatalities were recorded, the largest number of fatalities was caused by portable petrol generators.
Source of CO Fatalities
Portable petrol generator. 9
LPG Appliance. 8
Solid/multi fuel appliance. 6
Petrol outboard engine. 5
Oil fired(diesel) stove 1
Portable diesel generator 1
Table 3: BSS data – CO fatalities
To place that in some sort of perspective, Manufacturing Companies with thousands of employees can easily go 20 years without a single fatality. Though they tend to exclude employees in Company Cars involved in fatal crashes from such figures!
While 30/20 is 1.5 Fatalities per year over the many thousands of small boat owners in the UK. The report also makes it quite clear that working alarms might have saved the two from any amount of poor workmanship!
The workmanship failings that contributed to the Windermere fatalities were from a DIY owner who was a qualified plumber, but who failed to realise that copper pipe work and soldered joints OK for, say, Central heating, might not be appropriate for engine exhaust gas temperatures.
Cheers
sailorman
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So a "qualified plumber" who was Gas Safe registered IE qualified to install gas & service gas boilers ect. I have no idea if his Gas Safe cert covered LPG as that is different to natural gas cert
Corribee Boy
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prv
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My gas alarm has gone off once, for good reason. Standing in the cabin we didn't notice a smell of gas.
Pete