gag
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What's the proper procedure for replacing the thimble at the tack of a jibsail on our 29' yacht?
Do I just undo the whipping at the pointy end ?
Do I just undo the whipping at the pointy end ?
Replacing a Thimble
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FAITIRA
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the pointy end ?
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Don,t understand?, sorry.
the pointy end ?
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Don,t understand?, sorry.
bilbobaggins
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I think there's an RYA Course on this....
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William_H
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I like the term pointy end.
The thimble is there to spread the load and take the wear. Thimbles come in variety of forms. On my sails they are a stainless steel pressed in V large eyelet. On some sails it can be a brass ring laced all round the ring into the sail. Sometimes with a SS liner to take the wear.
However to answer your question we might need a photo....... Or just do what you think is a fair thing to remove and replace the thimble. This may involve destruction of the SS ring with a hacksaw. (remove the blade and feed it through the hole and reconnect the blade) If it is one of those oversized eyelets however the sail maker will have the correct sized mandrel to fit the new one. good luck olewill
The thimble is there to spread the load and take the wear. Thimbles come in variety of forms. On my sails they are a stainless steel pressed in V large eyelet. On some sails it can be a brass ring laced all round the ring into the sail. Sometimes with a SS liner to take the wear.
However to answer your question we might need a photo....... Or just do what you think is a fair thing to remove and replace the thimble. This may involve destruction of the SS ring with a hacksaw. (remove the blade and feed it through the hole and reconnect the blade) If it is one of those oversized eyelets however the sail maker will have the correct sized mandrel to fit the new one. good luck olewill
bilbobaggins
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The 'irony' was not pointed at Partans2, but flagged up the habit of the RYA inventing short courses for just about everything under the sun - and then selling 'em through cash-strapped sail schools.....
I'm told there's even some sort of Taster Course, that's intended to train absolute newbies to recognise a sailboat from three different angles and to know where salt water might be found. That's a full 2-day event, and costs upwards of £125, as I understand. More, if residential..... Oh, and there are Mobo, Non-Tidal and Southern Hemisphere versions as well!
That's their latest export to Oz.
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I'm told there's even some sort of Taster Course, that's intended to train absolute newbies to recognise a sailboat from three different angles and to know where salt water might be found. That's a full 2-day event, and costs upwards of £125, as I understand. More, if residential..... Oh, and there are Mobo, Non-Tidal and Southern Hemisphere versions as well!
That's their latest export to Oz.
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john_morris_uk
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The 'irony' was not pointed at Partans2, but flagged up the habit of the RYA inventing short courses for just about everything under the sun - and then selling 'em through cash-strapped sail schools.....
I'm told there's even some sort of Taster Course, that's intended to train absolute newbies to recognise a sailboat from three different angles and to know where salt water might be found. That's a full 2-day event, and costs upwards of £125, as I understand. More, if residential..... Oh, and there are Mobo, Non-Tidal and Southern Hemisphere versions as well!
That's their latest export to Oz.
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[/ QUOTE ]Do you think you might be being a little harsh on the RYA? Part of their remit is to encourage sailing and the 'Taster Course' is an entry level introduction to life on the water. If you are a member of Jo Public and don't know anyone with a boat, then previously the only way of getting afloat was to try and ingratiate yourself at a local club and get someone to take you out sailing, or pay several hundred pounds to do Competent Crew course with a Sailing School.
It might be (less cynically) argued that the RYA are doing their job in encouraging sailing by devising courses/means to get people on the water and sailing.
If you live a long way from a club, its a bit difficult to turn up and ask someone to take you sailing. Even if you do, the person who does take you out might be a bad skipper who puts you off for life. At least with a Sailing School you will hopefully) get a good skipper who will look after you properly and keep you safe, whilst encouraging you to enjoy life afloat.
Up to now I suspect that more or less everyone afloat in the leisure sailing world has been introduced to sailing through family or friends. There must be a lot of people in the world who would love to try sailing out, but don't know how to start. The RYA devised the course due to a perceived demand and in response to the market and their aims.
I don't speak for the RYA, but I am a member. My declared interest is that I am employed freelance to conduct practical exams for the RYA/MCA.
The 'irony' was not pointed at Partans2, but flagged up the habit of the RYA inventing short courses for just about everything under the sun - and then selling 'em through cash-strapped sail schools.....
I'm told there's even some sort of Taster Course, that's intended to train absolute newbies to recognise a sailboat from three different angles and to know where salt water might be found. That's a full 2-day event, and costs upwards of £125, as I understand. More, if residential..... Oh, and there are Mobo, Non-Tidal and Southern Hemisphere versions as well!
That's their latest export to Oz.
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[/ QUOTE ]Do you think you might be being a little harsh on the RYA? Part of their remit is to encourage sailing and the 'Taster Course' is an entry level introduction to life on the water. If you are a member of Jo Public and don't know anyone with a boat, then previously the only way of getting afloat was to try and ingratiate yourself at a local club and get someone to take you out sailing, or pay several hundred pounds to do Competent Crew course with a Sailing School.
It might be (less cynically) argued that the RYA are doing their job in encouraging sailing by devising courses/means to get people on the water and sailing.
If you live a long way from a club, its a bit difficult to turn up and ask someone to take you sailing. Even if you do, the person who does take you out might be a bad skipper who puts you off for life. At least with a Sailing School you will hopefully) get a good skipper who will look after you properly and keep you safe, whilst encouraging you to enjoy life afloat.
Up to now I suspect that more or less everyone afloat in the leisure sailing world has been introduced to sailing through family or friends. There must be a lot of people in the world who would love to try sailing out, but don't know how to start. The RYA devised the course due to a perceived demand and in response to the market and their aims.
I don't speak for the RYA, but I am a member. My declared interest is that I am employed freelance to conduct practical exams for the RYA/MCA.
bilbobaggins
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John, m'dear, both of us have long experience of the self-appointed, self-satisfied business that describes itself to all who will listen as 'Britain's Sailing Authority'. It has, of course, no statutory authority or powers to do other than seek to influence other bodies - which it sometimes fails to do spectacularly - and occasionally it has to be 'called in' and reminded of its true role when it treads clumsily on the wrong Establishment toes. It was one such clumsy encounter, for example, that lead directly to the withdrawal of the franchise to run the Small Ships Register, and its relocation under the wing of the DVLA. More recently, the achieved standards of training re the DfT's VHF/DSC Certificate of Competence came in for some stern words, and that income stream ( or 'good little earner' ) is also - so I hear - again open to revue. Then there is the monopolistic management of the ICC scheme, and its unjustified, repeating, renewal charges every 5 years.
The org does attract, by the nature of what it is engaged in, rather a lot of deeply-skilled and committed volunteers - and I'd number you among them - but it certainly has an strong institutional arrogance about parts of its corporate culture, which loses it at least as many friends as it makes. You will recall the muted furore, some years ago, when sea school principals were invited to a presentation by an competitor organisation, which sought to offer an alternative training scheme which had, arguably, some merit here and there. I recall that quite a number of those principals were shocked and disturbed to find a quite senior employee of the RYA sitting in the foyer of the venue, taking note of the names of those who had attended.....
I recall myself the machinations of the RYA during, for example, the 'consultation phase' which preceded the Recreational Craft Directive. The RYA, sensing the possibility of another income stream, worked quite hard in attempting to promote itself as the sole representative of the boating public - and lobbied the DTI's people rather hard to pay no attention to the reps of several boating orgs who had registered an interest and had legitimate issues to raise. That self-serving behaviour attracted the attention of the then Editor of PBO, George Taylor, who campaigned hard in his pages for a more inclusive and 'joined-up' approach to the issues, instead of what was going down.
There are reams of other examples - that the Sail Cruising Committee was less a conduit for the concerns and issues faced by affiliated sailing organisations UPWARDS to the RYA's Council, than a conduit for the views and decisions of Members of Council DOWN to the affiliated orgs. Some reading this will smile indulgently, and not a little cynically, but it certainly smacked, frequently, of "If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
There is also the continual presentation of RYA apparatchiks as experts in fields they have neither trained for professionally nor practised, who then find themselves traveling at considerable expense to meetings of Consultative Bodies - where they encounter, of course, real experts in their respective fields. That is not only a cost-burden on the membership, but counter-productive to the interests they seek to espouse.
Nevertheless, this RYA is the only one we've got, and perhaps we ought to work towards making it better serve the interests of its members, rather than the scurrilous alternative view which is heard, from time to time, in some quarters. I suppose I 'ran my flag up' when, on hearing a report read out by The Good Robin that a survey had found 'the largest proportion of those joining the RYA indicate that Sail Cruising is their main interest', I quipped that the same proportion was true of those leaving......
The serried ranks of sound professionals who put in a great deal, on our behalf, as instructors and examiners up and down the country have my full respect. But I sense that even those whose livelihood depends on maintaining 'solidarity' and 'not making waves' would privately agree - with a careful glance over their shoulders - that it remains singularly difficult to get the Powers That Be, working from the RYA's Hamble Towers, to accept suggestions and constructive criticism from 'outsiders'........
That's not as good as it should be, for IMHO the whole kit'n caboodle would be much the better for communications to be truly two-way, and better value for membership and customers demonstrated. But I won't be holding my breath.....
/minirant.
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The org does attract, by the nature of what it is engaged in, rather a lot of deeply-skilled and committed volunteers - and I'd number you among them - but it certainly has an strong institutional arrogance about parts of its corporate culture, which loses it at least as many friends as it makes. You will recall the muted furore, some years ago, when sea school principals were invited to a presentation by an competitor organisation, which sought to offer an alternative training scheme which had, arguably, some merit here and there. I recall that quite a number of those principals were shocked and disturbed to find a quite senior employee of the RYA sitting in the foyer of the venue, taking note of the names of those who had attended.....
I recall myself the machinations of the RYA during, for example, the 'consultation phase' which preceded the Recreational Craft Directive. The RYA, sensing the possibility of another income stream, worked quite hard in attempting to promote itself as the sole representative of the boating public - and lobbied the DTI's people rather hard to pay no attention to the reps of several boating orgs who had registered an interest and had legitimate issues to raise. That self-serving behaviour attracted the attention of the then Editor of PBO, George Taylor, who campaigned hard in his pages for a more inclusive and 'joined-up' approach to the issues, instead of what was going down.
There are reams of other examples - that the Sail Cruising Committee was less a conduit for the concerns and issues faced by affiliated sailing organisations UPWARDS to the RYA's Council, than a conduit for the views and decisions of Members of Council DOWN to the affiliated orgs. Some reading this will smile indulgently, and not a little cynically, but it certainly smacked, frequently, of "If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
There is also the continual presentation of RYA apparatchiks as experts in fields they have neither trained for professionally nor practised, who then find themselves traveling at considerable expense to meetings of Consultative Bodies - where they encounter, of course, real experts in their respective fields. That is not only a cost-burden on the membership, but counter-productive to the interests they seek to espouse.
Nevertheless, this RYA is the only one we've got, and perhaps we ought to work towards making it better serve the interests of its members, rather than the scurrilous alternative view which is heard, from time to time, in some quarters. I suppose I 'ran my flag up' when, on hearing a report read out by The Good Robin that a survey had found 'the largest proportion of those joining the RYA indicate that Sail Cruising is their main interest', I quipped that the same proportion was true of those leaving......
The serried ranks of sound professionals who put in a great deal, on our behalf, as instructors and examiners up and down the country have my full respect. But I sense that even those whose livelihood depends on maintaining 'solidarity' and 'not making waves' would privately agree - with a careful glance over their shoulders - that it remains singularly difficult to get the Powers That Be, working from the RYA's Hamble Towers, to accept suggestions and constructive criticism from 'outsiders'........
That's not as good as it should be, for IMHO the whole kit'n caboodle would be much the better for communications to be truly two-way, and better value for membership and customers demonstrated. But I won't be holding my breath.....
/minirant.
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john_morris_uk
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I'll not argue with you and I understand your argument and strong feelings. I am not quite as cynical about the RYA as you are, but a couple of remarks:
I too get frustrated at the lack of 'personal touch' of the RYA. Once upon a time I could call in to the head office and speak to people I knew and who knew me. I am not sure if that is the case any more.
Furthermore, I admit that I have been so frustrated with the body that I stood for election to some cruising committee or whatever once upon a time. Didn't get past the nomination stage if I remember correctly.... I have no idea how once gets elected to these bodies to try and influence them. The membership is so disparate and varied that it turns into a beauty contest based on your 150 words and photo and even then most people probably don't bother to vote. Please don’t think I am bitter about this as I am not bothered in the least - I have quite enough to keep me busy without taking on anything else.
I also wonder whether for some people it becomes like those young radical newly elected MP's? They gradually become establishment figures over the years and instead of causing a revolution at parliament, get sucked into the system. Don't get the wrong idea about me - I quite like our system. It might not be perfect, but nothing is. I understand that the de-radicalisation of MP's by the House and the parliamentary system is a well known phenomenon.
I too get frustrated at the lack of 'personal touch' of the RYA. Once upon a time I could call in to the head office and speak to people I knew and who knew me. I am not sure if that is the case any more.
Furthermore, I admit that I have been so frustrated with the body that I stood for election to some cruising committee or whatever once upon a time. Didn't get past the nomination stage if I remember correctly.... I have no idea how once gets elected to these bodies to try and influence them. The membership is so disparate and varied that it turns into a beauty contest based on your 150 words and photo and even then most people probably don't bother to vote. Please don’t think I am bitter about this as I am not bothered in the least - I have quite enough to keep me busy without taking on anything else.
I also wonder whether for some people it becomes like those young radical newly elected MP's? They gradually become establishment figures over the years and instead of causing a revolution at parliament, get sucked into the system. Don't get the wrong idea about me - I quite like our system. It might not be perfect, but nothing is. I understand that the de-radicalisation of MP's by the House and the parliamentary system is a well known phenomenon.
bilbobaggins
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John,
I suspect we'd agree over far more than we'd dispute. Those of your Instructor-Examiner colleagues I've met over the years have all been very sound and certainly their own men. But each has had his own little 'bee in bonnet' ( different emphasis? ) about something or other - just as I have - and that's fine.
It's an old and effective Establishment technique to recruit a 'free radical' with the subversive "If you really want to make a change/make a contribution, then join in and work from the inside......", and then to absorb his energies/frustrate his efforts with committee work, studies, joint reports, reviews.... anything that stands in the way of getting something done swiftly, then moving on to another task.
I learned somewhere that there were two types of committees - Info Committees and Action Committees. And the RYA is stuffed full of the former.....
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I suspect we'd agree over far more than we'd dispute. Those of your Instructor-Examiner colleagues I've met over the years have all been very sound and certainly their own men. But each has had his own little 'bee in bonnet' ( different emphasis? ) about something or other - just as I have - and that's fine.
It's an old and effective Establishment technique to recruit a 'free radical' with the subversive "If you really want to make a change/make a contribution, then join in and work from the inside......", and then to absorb his energies/frustrate his efforts with committee work, studies, joint reports, reviews.... anything that stands in the way of getting something done swiftly, then moving on to another task.
I learned somewhere that there were two types of committees - Info Committees and Action Committees. And the RYA is stuffed full of the former.....
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Stig
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What's the proper procedure for replacing the thimble at the tack of a jibsail on our 29' yacht?
Do I just undo the whipping at the pointy end ?
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Serious thread drift! Can anyone help with the original query?
What's the proper procedure for replacing the thimble at the tack of a jibsail on our 29' yacht?
Do I just undo the whipping at the pointy end ?
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Serious thread drift! Can anyone help with the original query?
john_morris_uk
Well-Known Member
Sorry about the thread drift. In answer to your question I think its impossible to answer without a photo. The thimble could be fitted in a variety of ways. Can you get a picture on photobox or similar and link it so it shows on the forum?
gag
Well-Known Member
Thankyou Stig.
It looks like theres not much stitching holding the pointy end in place and if I cut that it still doesnt look like theres enough slack to get the thimble out.
Any advice from experienced thimbelers appreciated.
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This was started as a brief " how - to "
It looks like theres not much stitching holding the pointy end in place and if I cut that it still doesnt look like theres enough slack to get the thimble out.
Any advice from experienced thimbelers appreciated.
PS
This was started as a brief " how - to "
