Red - you are responsible for cleaning your tanks!!!

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- my boat has 3500 UK gallon tanks -
I have just become very untrustfull....

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I can see you are seriously concerned about this and I think I can help you off load part of your problems and I can take some of your share of problems

I am in your area this weekend and will be happy to come along side with a diesel transfer pump.
i think I can find room for 150 gals and hopefully some other forum members will also be willing to take some off your hands.

Once empty I have about 20 jerry cans left over from my petrol days that you are welcome to borrow to fill will white from the local Tescos

Please arrange to have OH moored in the Emsworth Channel on Saturday 1000 hrs /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

As for cleaning the tanks and purging the systerm i have some bleach that we can add some soltron to which will soon turn it into diesel /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Thanks for that great offer Daka ... its really appreciated.

I will be standing by on Saturday 10 am and will have the first can of my diesel ready for you to test. Do not worry, I will have put some Soltron and bleach ready in it for you. Then after i have put that first can into your boat you would maybe test it. I will stand by pending approval. .... is that Ok? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Gosh, no.
You misunderstand, I wasnt intending using it in local waters, not after you have pointed out the legalities.

It was my intention only to contaminate one of my tanks with red and then to exit the 12 mile limit on one engine before I open up.

There is no need to pre treat the diesel with bleach/soltron /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
But what happens if Customs dip both tanks?
It could also be shown that there is a crossover valve therefore making it possible to divert fuel to either engine.

You really wood need a alarge islaoted fuel tank in say your cockpit. Now as it happens I have on old rusty oil tank here that you are welcome to - it would brush up like new with hust a few hundred hours work and bingo - you have an isloted tank.

When past the 12 mile limit - you simply get that diesel pump out and pump like mad - in fact at cruising speed it would double as a keep fit device as well.

All this could be yours for the asking Daka, you only have to say the word.

By the way all red tanks anywhere in the UK have to be licensed to recive red ----- so we would need to work on that one. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
In my days of global truck driving, I had three tanks. Normal one, conected to the engine, had white in it. Till I reached a country, where red was legal. So I then transfered the red from another tank. And so on, till I reached Saudi Arabia. Then I'd swill a bit of white round the tanks and empty them a couple of times, before filling to the gunnels on Saudi white at 4p a gallon. Yes Customs dipped my tank once and found no problem.

There is no law that says you cant carry red. Only that it must not be connected to the engine.

Well, some quick release pipe fittings can soon sort that out.
 
So are you saying that boats can carry Red in tanks that are not connected even though a connection could be made in a few minutes and then say they pop outside the 12 mile limit - the connect the red?

The only problem is that to fill red tanks you almost have to give your life away and pass a stringent test do you not?

However once red is used it will be in your engine BUT as you say - they dip the tank not the engine ........ mind you the return would probably flush some red back into the white tank ....... never the less I think its a good job that I always manage to do most of my boating outside the 12 mile limit /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Absolutely none.

That is apart from the prospects of 10s or 100s of thousands of pounds in costs being awarded to them if you lose.
 
What would they make of green fuel from Ireland. If mixed with red suppose you'd have a sort of dirty brown fuel.
 
Told you. There is no law about carrying red diesel. You need it for your heating anyway. I've never had a problem buying it. Truck held 650 gallons. Course. i never asked them to put it in my normal tank.

If you want belt and braces. You can/could export the fuel to yourself on what used to be called a T form. EEC thingy. I used to do this through Germany, they were funny about bringing fuel in to there country. The tanks had a customs seal on the plastic taps. But they did not prevent the taps opening Doh! So once threw Germany, just throw the form away. It did not cost anything.

So by this method, you can take red to any country you like.
 
As I see it, yes. I never did anything elegal and never ran on red in this country or where it was not allowed.

Only thing needed, is a quicker way of changing from one fuel to the other. Oh, and convincing the fuel guy that it's not going to be used in the engines. A problem I never had at the fuel depot. But marina????
 
In passing, just how many boaters do they expect to have the thick end of a grand to spend, at the drop of a hat. I'm sure that there are some here, but nobody I know personally does. So that;s your beloved unuseable because of a dodgy policy.

BTW if you owned or had an interest in a tank cleaning company and found out that your services were aboput to become compulsorily used by a couple of hundred thousand people (don't forget all those 55000 or what have you narrowboats) you might just see this as an excuse to print money. Maybe the FOI needs to check no MP or official is in the position to take advantage of this unique opportunity to make yourself rich by a perverse and unreasonable interpretation of an uncalled for bit of law. Same might apply to MPs with shares in speed camera makers, immigration advice firms and so forth.
 
Can I stick my 'oar' into this ?
Not had any experience of which countries do and don't have 'legal' red diesel but the question has to be asked "They cannot be serious?" If you were holidaying in Belgium, I think some mentioned Belgium as having red, (I cannot think why you would want to holiday there - but there you go) and you then made passage back to UK you would HAVE to have a safety margin on the fuel in your tank, bad weather,breakdown etc. If they were to try to enforce a strict regime of dipping tanks and fining/confiscating if you were found with red diesel then they are effectively preventing anyone with a private boat from making such a trip. Or am I being really thick (Just like my name)
Mal
 
No they dip the tank, say, back at the marina - find the red. You then explain you filled up say in jersey and they then ask if you have paid the tax on the unsued amount you imported.

They allow you to get home because they wantr you to pay the tax /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Also remmebr they can act outside the law just as they did with that boat selling fags etc outside UK waters. They made it clear then that anyone coming backl in would have to pay the duty. It would be the same for a tanker outside the 12 miles.. They would change the rules.
 
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